The gospel of Retreat and Isolationism coming from the Anti-war/Ron Paul brigades is reaching heights of absurdity while at the same time the leaders of Jihad are boldly making almost daily declarations of war and annihilation of the West and America.
I really think America and most of the West REFUSE to grasp the truth of what is facing us, because it destroys their paradigm of thinking. They hold to the Multiculturalist worldview that all people, cultures and religions (except Christianity) are equal, and that if Islam is angry with America and the West it has to be because of something America did. Ron Paul stated as much in the Republican debate back in May.
What’s completely insidious in what Ron Paul says in stating:
I’m suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it.
But he is NOT asking America to listen to what Jihadists are PROMISING to do to America and the West – he wants us to only listen to the JUSTIFICATIONS Jihadists give for attacking and killing Americans, and he wants us to adopt policies that avoid giving them justification.
Of course any clear-thinking person would understand that is simple appeasement. The anti-war Ron Paul people operate from a premise that no one will be angry with us if we don’t aggravate them.
Sounds French to me. In other words, 9-11 would never have happened if America had no dealings with the rest of the world and kept to itself, because the only evil that exists comes from American aggitation or America itself.
This is completely ignorant, and worse than the clueless idiocy of Neville Chamberlain in appeasing Hitler in the 1930’s. Modern Jihadism is rooted in the same beastly evil that sought to swallow the world back then. Jihadists today are the evil offspring of the Nazis, and WORSE than the Nazis given their aims.
I have had it argued this week that Jihadists do not really mean what they are saying, they are just blowing off steam because they are angry with us.
Americans and people like the Anti-war Left and Ron Paul dismiss the fact that Jihadists have been waging war on the world for decades. They think it’s just a few crazy extremist criminals that the police should handle.
Funny, because that was the exact policy America held since 1979, and that policy eventually got 3,000 people killed six years ago on a bright September morning.
But the Appeasement Push of the Anti-war bunch, the Democrats, the Stalinist Left and Ron Paul all continue to scream and insist that we must retreat from Iraq and Afghanistan and “bring the troops home”.
Ahmadinejad (aka: Ahmallmadindehead, Der Muslim Reichsfuhrer) is listening to them…INTENTLY. He takes note of what Ron Paul, the Democrats and the neoLeftists are demanding and he is already preparing to make his move.
Still, we will hear it said Jihadists do not mean what they say, and do not have the ability to “attack America” or “take over the world”.
But still we read the march to decimate the West and impose a global Caliphate continue.
Last weekend, religious leaders spoke of the rise of an new Islamic Caliphate and the fall of Western powers.
“The Caliphate can arrive in an hour, two months or two years from now…..heads may roll’ in the recreation of the Caliphate”
We are passing the point of cognitive dissonance by these Appeasement Americans, and into the realm of aid and comfort to an enemy hell-bent on global domination.
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August 29, 2007 at 12:20 pm
Appeasement? That is pure bull crap.
The Jihadis will not have the recruitment incentive of US troops on the ground to shoot at and their numbers will diminish greatly.
They have increased their recruitment as a direct result of our intervention over these many years.
I am not one to run from a fight and neither are many of Ron Paul’s Republican supporters at least. His foreign policy judgment is sound in my opinion and is based on a great deal of good intelligence research. See his reading list for Rudy.
The execution of his withdrawal policy is another factor and I do not think he is qualified to work out the strategy on his own. That is best left to military commanders.
August 29, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Jihadists have been recruiting to their cause LONG before even the First Gulf War.
It is not our presence in Iraq, or our intervention that drives the Insurgency and the growing belief that Islam is on the cusp of conquering the West.
It was the successful attacks of 9-11 that galvanized the Muslim mindset into believing their end-time prophecies of destroying the Great Satan was close at hand.
The fact we ARE THERE – makes it simply easier for Jihadists to travel and wage their own personal war on Americans in Iraq and A’stan. That policy will shift to our own soil again when there are no more Americans in the Mid East to kill.
That seems perfectly fine to most Ron Paul supporters that I talk to. Like most, they think the ability of Jihadists to hurt us is nominal at best, and the idea of a mass casualty attack is non existent. They think like most clueless Americans do, that to leave well enough alone is to be left well enough alone.
Such is total ignorant oblivion. The goal of Jihadist Islam is global domination by force. I mean, what the hell did the Danes, the French, the Indonesians, the Thais, the Spaniards and a host of other nations do to instigate the Jihadist attacks that are being waged on them?
You operate from a false presumption.
If you truly believe Jihadism would leave America alone if we depart and they would abandon their prophetic dream of a global caliphate – you are delusionally ignorant of Islam itself.
August 29, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Wow, for someone that makes them sound like a battle hardened “sword at the ready” you sure are highly emotional, misinformed and uneducated with this blather.
You sound more like this person trying to explain your point.
August 29, 2007 at 1:39 pm
A dream must be financed. We would serve our own best interest if we quit financing their dream or should I say fantasy of a world wide caliphate. I say withdraw from their region and let the Sunni and the Shia fight it out for the next hundred years instead of helping them to unite against a common enemy the US. Quit giving them material support by buying their oil for the next 20 years while we invest our money in alternatives. We will see how far that little dream goes if it has no money to flourish.
August 29, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Right. Misinformed and uneducated blather.
You go ahead and think that.
It’s what Jihadists want you to believe.
I say withdraw from their region and let the Sunni and the Shia fight it out for the next hundred years instead of helping them to unite against a common enemy the US.
You may get your wish, but it’s not going to result in what you think. Jihadist Islam operates from the religious belief that it is their duty to convert the entire world to Islam, and those who do not convert are to be killed.
It doesn’t matter if they are Shia or Sunni or Wahhabist, the duty is the same.
They may be iron and clay, but they WILL mix in order to bring about a Caliphate.
As to oil, we are held hostage by the Environazis who prohibit any ability for America to become dependant on our own oil supplies. We have not built a new refinery in America since 1976. No one wants one anywhere near them and the billions of dollars it takes just to get through the paperwork to build one has cause the oil companies to abandon any plan to build one in America.
That said, Russia, China and Europe will finance Jihadist Oil-rich nations even if we stopped importing a single drop of the stuff.
August 29, 2007 at 2:13 pm
You can’t have a war on terror. It’s impossible, it’s totally subjective. You could argue that some people are scared of neo-cons or liberals and that the tactics they use terrorize and oppress people. Terrorism is a tactic, nothing more.
I guess going from door to door asking people if they are terrorists is working well. What you don’t realize, nor does the Media report that most of the bombings (other than road side bombs) are not carried out by al qaeda. This is nothing more than a civil war between the various tribes/factions that are vying for power. Not to mention this power struggle has gone on for 100’s of years. This my friend, has nothing to do with the US.
Now, if we pulled out and what you said comes true and there is a nation of people that want to harm the USA. I say, Great, NOW we have a “defined” enemy. We then declare war and REALLY take care of business.
August 29, 2007 at 2:25 pm
So what is your solution? Do you suggest we can convert them all to Christ and they will then be good Christians? That is not going to happen in this 500 years any more than it did in the last 500 years.
Or perhaps you are like Tancredo and you would prefer to Nuke Mecca and Medina or just Nuke the whole region and repopulate it with non Arabs.
If you install a democracy in a region of Islamist who do you think will be voted into office? Islamist of course. There is not a military solution to this situation. You can not defeat an ideology with guns. You can only offer an eduction in a superior ideology and strike back at anyone who strikes at you.
August 29, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Oh, there’s no question that the jihadists really mean it. The problem with your global war on terror is that it’s like assembling a crack surgical team to deal with a pimple on your ass (and has a similarly awful cost-benefit ratio). Because despite their fanaticism and supposed love of martyrdom, the Islamists have no tanks, no aircraft carriers, no ICBMs, and no army of significance. Their technical skills seem to be limited to making primitive bombs. Their frightful ‘terror attacks’ kill fewer people than the criminals on our own streets by more than an order of magnitude. While they’re not entirely a paper tiger, the threat they represent is blown vastly out of proportion by our government. And I might add that by treating them as a serious military opponent rather than a feeble band of lunatics we probably help their recruiting. So I think it’s *you* that refuses to grasp the truth of what is facing us – namely, a bunch of religious nuts ill-equipped to deal with the modern world, let alone fight a war.
August 29, 2007 at 2:41 pm
bbartlog
I have to agree with that summation.
August 29, 2007 at 3:07 pm
I do not call this a “War on Terror”. I do not play word games of political correctness because I’m worried about what people think.
While Bush has no cajones to simply tell the truth for whatever reasons, I’m not limited by politics to recognize what this is.
I call it what it is, a “War on Jihadist Islam”.
Now if America decides to abandon this war, it is not going to deter or stop the Jihadists from continuing to wage war on us as they have been doing for almost 3 decades without any response from us.
You people that think Jihadists are a bunch of feeble lunatics ill-equipped to wage war, then you have the same stupid mindset the Euopeans had towards Hitler and the Nazis in the late 30s.
Jihadists are on the verge of having nuclear weapons if they do not have them already. They have overrun huge areas of Europe and are on a campaign to enact Dhimmitude among the European continent, using their own multiculturalism and laws against the native inhabitants.
So what is your solution?
Same thing our grandparents did to the Nazis and Japs. We war on them until they sue for peace on OUR terms – or end up so decimated they do not have a prayer of making their prophecies come true.
That’s the reality.
You can pretend otherwise. Youc an pretend that we can co-exist peacefully – or treat them as a law enforcement problem and get 9-11s every time they are capable of getting lucky.
Or we can do what Jihadists did not think we have the stomach, fortitude or patience to do: war on them.
Take away the belief they can have any kind of victory over America and the West – and you push the ideology back into obscure irrelevance, and average Muslims will believe they have to get along with the infidels until a later time.
Any kind of retreat now, will be seen as a victory and a sign for the rest of the billions in Islam to think God has blessed Jihadist leaders with the mission to kill the infidel nations of the West and establish a Caliphate.
Then, watch all of the Middle East – go totally radical Jiahdist. Watch them take over Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Kuwaait, Iraq and everywhere else an uneasy balance exists between radical Islam and those willing to cooperate with Western interests.
And the nukes will fly – and the beast will advance on and devour much of the world.
But you can pretend that America is invincible and that such a scenario is not possible.
Scripture says differently, and that time may be upon us.
August 29, 2007 at 4:10 pm
“Scripture says differently, and that time may be upon us.”
I kind of guessed you were a Armageddonist. Likely a Zionist as well I would venture to guess. You guys want a war with all of Islam? A Crusade perhaps? Why not get your end of the world cult churches together and pool your resources and fight it yourselves and leave the rest of the world out of it until you get it out of your system.
The rest of us do not have a dog in that fight.
August 29, 2007 at 4:28 pm
You don’t have to call it a “war on terror”, however, by calling it a “War on Jihadist Islam” is the same thing. It’s an undefinable enemy. It’s like when McCarthyism was running rampant. There was a commie around every corner….remember?
I still believe it’s not a good solution to wage war against a philosophy or a tactic. What we are doing now is changing the minds of the progressive Muslims that used to agree that fundamentalist Islamics were inherently bad for society.
Before we invaded Iraq the Iranian leadership was very concerned about being overthrown by the westernized youth movement growing their country. Now the youth movement has shifted to band against us. Follow history and learn about cause-and-effect. Start from the British mandate and follow it very closely. It will take a good week of reading, but by the end of it, you’ll have a better understanding of why we are here today.
Another thing that you need to figure out is that a capitalistic free market will put the middle east further back in the 3rd world. Imagine if their oil revenues couldn’t fund their ideals. Shifting the world to oil-free energy would be cheaper and more profitable for the 1st world countries. Get the government monopolies out of the way and watch true innovation happen. Sit back and watch the middle east go from fighting over oil revenues to changing their tune to mainstream society just to survive.
August 29, 2007 at 4:32 pm
I kind of guessed you were a Armageddonist. Likely a Zionist as well I would venture to guess.
Is that swastika engraved into your forehead or just tattooed on it?
You obviosuly didn’t comprehend a damn word I posted, or the info in the links given.
You may not want to have a dog in the fight against Jihadism – but they have every fiber of their being invested in bringing the fight to you.
If you understood or ever read the bible, you would know what I meant when I said the scriptures say differently.
In short, another holocaust.
But this time, it will not just be the Jews who get slaughtered – but almost the whole of biblical Christianity.
August 29, 2007 at 4:43 pm
I still believe it’s not a good solution to wage war against a philosophy or a tactic.
Of course you don’t.
You think we should keep on with the same hands-off/do nothing appeasement of Jihadists and their philosophy that we had as policy from 1979-2001.
‘Turn the other cheek’, and let them slaughter maybe 3 million Americans next time.
Maybe that will satisfy them, yes?
No, let’s not war on those who have declared holy war on America, let’s do nothing but run away home and keep to ourselves.
Yeah, that’s the ticket to peace.
Bunch of limp-wristed appeasement monkeys.
Lots of French pretending to be Americans apparently.
August 29, 2007 at 5:24 pm
Hit the books. If you are looking at history between 1979-2001, then you are looking at the RESULT of bad policies committed by France, Britain and the USA since 1920 and especially after 1947.
All of this is a culmination of western influence and control and it started long before 1979.
August 29, 2007 at 6:00 pm
So by that reckoning, Chamberlain’s appeasement of Hitler should have worked, yes?
I mean, when a beast with world domination and genocide of infidels takes the stage, the world should immediately right the wrongs of the grandparents and give into the Beast’s demands – such as giving Chekoslovakia to Hitler or pulling all Americans out of the Mid East and run home – yes?
I mean thats been the prescription for solving the problem of militant Islam by you people. Run home – let the Jihadists fight it out over there and we will have nothing to fear or worry about.
About sum it up – yes?
You anti-war Ron Paul Priests are absolutely hilarious, except I don’t know whether to laugh in incredulity or cry at the depth of ignorance you display, when history has shown us in painful detail what happens when pacifists and appeasers like you get your way: war and deaths of millions that could have been mitigated had they the courage to do what was necessary when a beast was managable.
I shudder when I read you people and then watch a MEMRI translated Iranian news program that has Ahmadinejad reveal they have nukes.
August 29, 2007 at 6:02 pm
But you can pretend that America is invincible and that such a scenario is not possible.
America is not invincible. Even today, the USSR and China have nukes enough to destroy us. As for your scenario, it presupposes a degree of unity in the Mideast that is wildly at variance with what we’ve seen; not only that, but leadership by actual died-in-the-wool fanatics rather than the corrupt strongmen that currently dominate the region. I don’t know whether you’ve studied the factions in Iraq, but in addition to the Kurd/Sunni/Shia split in Iraq, you have further intrafactional schisms that split Sadr’s Shia against others, PKK against PUK on the Kurdish side, and Al Qaeda (nominally a Sunni outfit) against various local Sunni militias. So the emergence of a unified Islamic force of any kind seems wildly improbable to me.
Scripture says differently
If Scripture is infallible, then believers can safely sit on their butts and wait for God to destroy the forces of Satan on the plain of Meggido. Or whatever; I’m not up on the details. But the point is that according to the Bible, the outcome is not in doubt – so your agitation about our actions or lack thereof would seem to suggest a lack of faith, no?
August 29, 2007 at 6:06 pm
There is no reaching the indoctrinated Armageddonist end of the world cult member so I will not try. (requires deprogramming)
If someone says that you are likely a Zionist, just how does that make them a Nazi? Is your definition of a Nazi anyone who can spot a Zionist? That is just so absurd.
I am an American and a patriot to my Constitutional Republic. I believe firmly in the Constitution as the rule of law and America first. I do not condemn you for your religious fanaticism but I can spot it when I see it.
I do not believe that America is supposed to be involved in your battle of Armageddon. Radical Islam will never be a military force that can defeat the American Military and will not militarily attack us since they only have a few third world nations that are primitive enough to accept Sharia Law.
I think many like you have been duped by the Zionist (Israel Reconstructionist) into buying their program. They think Christian Churches are a good place to recruit useful idiots and lots of free money to support their nation building efforts.
Take a close look at a street level photo of people in Israel. You will notice that most of them are white skinned European descended people not Semites. Semites are Sephardic Jews and quite clearly a dark skinned people with black hair and very Arab features. The majority of the people that inhabit Israel at present are not even Semites or Sephardic Jews. They are clearly made up of a mix of Turk and Caucasian gene types. They are in fact mostly made up of what are called Ashkenazi Jews. Also known as the Kazars.
The war for that region is one between those various Jewish people and the Arabs. No one else should be involved or take sides unless they want to do it themselves with their own lives and treasury. Involving America in their struggle is just plain morally wrong and unconstitutional as well. Again fight that battle yourselves and sell that bunch of Armageddonist end of the world hooy to someone who will buy it. Our tax dollars should never go to fight wars that are not our business. That is just the way it should be.
I study the world and history enough to know what is really going on so I am just not buying into the propaganda. I know you think you know your own mind, but I am betting that your programmers know it far better than you do.
August 29, 2007 at 6:52 pm
America is not invincible. Even today, the USSR and China have nukes enough to destroy us.
China and Russia are not suicidal. They value life and their own cultures, which is why MAD worked.
Jihadists have no regard for their lives, or their children or their culture. They love death more than life, and love bringing death to life. Ahmadinejad’s estacheology is such that he thinks it is his duty to sacrifice his entire nation, so the 12th Imam willl be pleased with his efforts and come back to lead the rest of Islam to global conquest.
As for your scenario, it presupposes a degree of unity in the Mideast that is wildly at variance with what we’ve seen;
True. But I speculate that it is possible that a global Caliphate of all Islam is the fulfillment of the feet of iron and clay mixed in the giant image that the Prophet Daniel had a vision of.
So the emergence of a unified Islamic force of any kind seems wildly improbable to me.
I suppose at one time much of Europe thought a unified American country becoming a global power was improbable too.
Read up the the end-time prophecies ALL Islam shares with just varying degrees of application with one another.
A strong leader able to unite all of Islam to Sharia against the West is all they are lacking. Will Islam be able to put aside their own power squabbles long enough to focus on infidels for a change?
I think we are going to find out.
If Scripture is infallible, then believers can safely sit on their butts and wait for God to destroy the forces of Satan on the plain of Meggido.,
That takes place AFTER Jacob’s trouble, otherwise known as the Tribulation: Satan’s wrath on the people of God.
It’s Jesus that enters into judgement there with them in the valley of Hinnom, Armageddon is just where the armies gather – before they march on Jerusalem.
But the point is that according to the Bible, the outcome is not in doubt – so your agitation about our actions or lack thereof would seem to suggest a lack of faith, no?
I do not subscribe to predestination. We are free moral agents and able to determine our destiny as we are able to affect it and as God allows for His purpose.
Do you think the United States would have come into existence if arms were not taken up and a war fought for independence from the Crown?
Or was it a lack of faith by the Founders that they did not sit and wait for God to drop a free country in their laps?
August 29, 2007 at 7:10 pm
There is no reaching the indoctrinated Armageddonist end of the world cult member so I will not try. (requires deprogramming)
Likewise, there’s no reasoning with a neoNazi Jew hating bastard like yourself either.
I do not condemn you for your religious fanaticism but I can spot it when I see it.
The intent and purpose of this site is clearly laid out, and is specifically based on an understanding of the fundamental Christian heritage and history that forged us.
Clearly you do not belong on this site, unless you are about trolling your anti-semetic conspiratorial claptrap all over the place, and I’m not going to tolerate it.
I do not believe that America is supposed to be involved in your battle of Armageddon.
It won’t be. America is either destroyed or completely irrelevant before that happens.
Radical Islam will never be a military force that can defeat the American Military
In a straight up fight, no. America wins hands down.
In a guerilla assymetric 4th G warfighting doctrine, with nukes and other WMDS and willing human ’smart bombs’ by the millions – damn straight mister. They will hit us hard to bleed us economically and then while weak, they hit us again and again, until we are no more.
Read up on Bin laden’s Fatwa in 1997 and Zawahiri’s treatsie in 2004. Get a clue.
and will not militarily attack us since they only have a few third world nations that are primitive enough to accept Sharia Law.
Dar El Salam, Tanzania, and the port in Yemen along with 9-11 proves you dead wrong.
I think many like you have been duped by the Zionist (Israel Reconstructionist) into buying their program.
I think you admire Adolph Hitler and have been duped by both the neoNazis and the Jihadists since you play stooge apologist for them.
They think Christian Churches are a good place to recruit useful idiots and lots of free money to support their nation building efforts.
Jihadists think Ron Paul, and Democrats are excellent useful idiots – as do the Commies.
They are in fact mostly made up of what are called Ashkenazi Jews. Also known as the Kazars.
I’ve had battles with idiots who think like you for a long time and I don’t buy your neoNazi Hate-The-Jews-and-Christians garbage, so don’t bother peddling it here. I will smack it down on site.
Our tax dollars should never go to fight wars that are not our business. That is just the way it should be.
I read this stupid crap of yours while looking at a picture of people falling on fire to their deaths before a trillion tons of rubble crushed them to powder six years ago, and recognize how stupid yoru comment is.
I study the world and history enough to know what is really going on so I am just not buying into the propaganda.
Another know-it-all elitist who has ’secret truth’ that the rest of us sheeple do not know.
Sorry bub. Peddle your Jew-hating crap elsewhere. It is not getting any further play here.
August 29, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Rubbish, I am not a Jew hater or a Nazi. I would also point out that Iran has a community of 35,000 Jews living quite peacefully there. They are a free people allowed to come and go as they please.
Caliph Abarrahman III, in Cordova appointed Hasdai ibn Shaprut, who was a great Jewish scholar as his court physician, and later as his Inspector General of Customs, and his chief diplomatic adviser. Jews can and have gotten along with the Muslims it seems for many hundreds of years and I have no problem with them either.
The Jews have a rich history and have been the greatest source for history and language teaching for most of their history. Our world would have no where near the level of knowledge in history, science, art, music and language without their great achievements as a people.
They are among the greatest contributors to humanity’s advancement out of the dark ages. When Christians were burning books it was the Jews that protected and hid them for future generations.
Zionism is quite a different thing and is more closely related to other forms of religious extremism ideologically than to classic Judaism.
You just don’t know what you are talking about and have a limited awareness of history. I have no special knowledge only a larger volume than you seem to possess.
August 29, 2007 at 8:10 pm
Rubbish, I am not a Jew hater or a Nazi. I would also point out that Iran has a community of 35,000 Jews living quite peacefully there. They are a free people allowed to come and go as they please.
Goebbels would be proud of you and your ability to apologize for a regime that holds to the doctrine of Sharia, denies the Holocaust occured and recently even had a conference of Holocaust Deniers in Tehran.
I’m sure like most of those who share your predjudice, Ahmadinejad is a great guy who is simply misunderstood and smeared by Jew-run media.
That kind of crap is not gonna play here.
Zionism is quite a different thing and is more closely related to other forms of religious extremism ideologically than to classic Judaism.
I’ve had all the debates and arguments with those that try and use the misapplication of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 to bolster their proofs that Jews today are Satan’s seed decended from Khazars and all that vile crap.
There are plenty of other fora out there that are devoted to such garbage – and I’m not allowing it to be engaged in here.
You just don’t know what you are talking about and have a limited awareness of history. I have no special knowledge only a larger volume than you seem to possess.
Whatever. You think what you like. You post that kind of Jew-hating crap in here – I will zot your comments immediately. I will not waste time with such insidious and cleverly disguised hatreds that both you and the Jihadists are using to justify what’s coming.
Consider yourself warned.
August 29, 2007 at 9:12 pm
I guess we can always fall back on what Jesus taught us. Turn the other cheek? Nahh Love thy enemy? Nahhh Do unto others as you’d like done to you? Nahhhh Thou shall not kill? Nahhhhh Kill them all? YESSS!
It always amazes me to hear religious people that want to praise their religion and kill in defending their ideals. Yes, I’m talking about Islam and Christianity. Two halves of the same coin.
what would jesus do?
August 29, 2007 at 9:52 pm
I guess we can always fall back on what Jesus taught us. Turn the other cheek?
Misapplication of scripture. Jesus was not referring to defending oneself, or defending a nation against an enemy intent on killing you. He was specifically referring to the custom of the time of being either slapped as an insult or dragged into court by religious leaders and slapped for blasphemy.
I suppose if we should apply Matthew 5:39 in all instances, the Colonists sinned and were wrong to open fire on the British at Lexington Green, therefore making our entire existence as a nation built on a broken commandment, yes?
Watching footage of planes flying into buildings and people leaping on fire to their deaths, and you want to insist America turn our other cheek and offer Jihadists L.A. too?
Love thy enemy? Nahhh
I do love my enemies. They are pawns and misguided tools for The Enemy.
Let me ask you, did God love the people in Soddom and Gommorah? He destroyed them utterly, yet should we accuse God of not adhering to His Son’s admonition to love them?
Loving your enemy does not mean lying down and letting them kill your coutnrymen and rape and pillage your people.
Do unto others as you’d like done to you? Nahhhh Thou shall not kill? Nahhhhh Kill them all? YESSS!
Do you know how absurd and stupid your complete twist of the scriptures are here?
If I were going to commit rape, robbery and murder – I should expect my victims to afford me the courtesy to ravage them unharmed because they should treat me the way they want to be treated?
Absurdity knows no bounds with you people.
It always amazes me to hear religious people that want to praise their religion and kill in defending their ideals. Yes, I’m talking about Islam and Christianity. Two halves of the same coin.
And THAT ladies and gentlemen is the mantra that will be used to round up, silence and ultimately EXTERMINATE Biblical Christians and Jews in the near future. In fact, those equivocations of biblical Christians and Jews as the same as Jihadists is reaching a deafening roar, and growing.
I’m assuming Michael that as a pacifist, you detest the Second Amendment and eschew the right to self defense, or armed police and armed forces to ensure that your religion is pure, yes?
what would jesus do?
Read Zechariah 14 and you tell me what Jesus will do.
Peace will only come through the other side of war.
Even the Peace God will bring to the world will require war and death to bring it.
Mankind is that stubborn.
Given your continuous misuse of scripture – I have to suppose that you would one that would be admonishing our Founders not to take up arms against the lawful, legal authority of the crown over us.
After all, the British were not telling us they were going to exterminate every last infidel like the Jihadists are – so I’m just making sure that you have no regard or approval of how our Republic came into being, and that you consider yourself a Loyal British Subject.
August 30, 2007 at 12:40 am
http://www.csmonitor.com/2007/0427/p01s03-wome.html?page=1
Looks like I was wrong on that statement. It is not 35,000 Jews in Iran any longer it is only 25,000
You are right about Ahmadinejad he is an end or the world crazy with his “5th Imam is coming soon” line and other such nonsense. He should not be trusted.
August 30, 2007 at 7:24 am
I’m not a pacifist at all. Quite the opposite. I’m a practical, logical and analytical person that needs a definable enemy. Having our military patrolling the streets, getting picked off by random, everyday Iraqis is not what I call a success.
It’s nearly impossible to change someones mind from Islamo-fascism when you are occupying their land, killing innocent bystanders and dictating their lives. The British were not nearly as violent as we are, and look what we did to the British when our rights were threatened. We are making the problem worse.
Other than occupying and going door to door killing suspected jihadists. What do you suggest we do help change their minds?
August 30, 2007 at 10:07 am
I’m not a pacifist at all. Quite the opposite.
Can’t glean that from your posts. They scream “get out!” “run!” “They’re killing us because we’re killing them!” Sorry, those are the words of a pacifist or a coward.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
I’m a practical, logical and analytical person that needs a definable enemy.
Like what? One that wears uniforms with clear emblems and marches in rows and comes from a set nation-state with borders?
How ridiculously naive do you want to continue to portray your position?
Listen to what Jihadist leaders like Ahmadinejad, or Nasarella have been saying. The definable enemy is Jihadist Islam. We wish it wasn’t, but it wasn’t like we CHOSE this enemy. Our enemy chose us.
We’re just too damn politically correct and stupid to define evil anymore. No surprise considering America equivocates everything and refuses to call anything evil but Americans and Christians.
Having our military patrolling the streets, getting picked off by random, everyday Iraqis is not what I call a success.
Your defeatism is staggering. How many Americans were picked off by random in the islands of the Pacific by Jap snipers or Nazis from Normandy to Berlin?
We lost more men in one day of battle back then than we have lost in the entire war effort since late 2001.
Yet you do not see any success.
It’s nearly impossible to change someones mind from Islamo-fascism when you are occupying their land, killing innocent bystanders and dictating their lives.
Well we certainly weren’t changing their minds from Islamofascism when we had a policy of non-interventionism from 1979 to 2001.
They kept hitting us, killing us and we did nothing but make pronoucements of denouncement.
Islamofascists laughed and saw weakeness.
So they hit us again, and again.
Because to them, we are weak when we do nothing. We are weak when we talk about pulling out and running home.
But you get your news from whatever American anti-war stooge you glean it from, instead of either the boots on the ground over there or Islamic media sources that reveal what the Islamofascists are thinking and plotting.
The British were not nearly as violent as we are, and look what we did to the British when our rights were threatened. We are making the problem worse.
Go live in Britain then. You’ll be surrounded by more of your ‘less violent’ gentle socialist pals and will be safer than those of us barbarian Americans who are ‘making the problem worse’ by taking the war to our enemies as opposed to letting them take it to us.
Other than occupying and going door to door killing suspected jihadists. What do you suggest we do help change their minds?
I’ve already stated clearly what should be done.
For once – YOU TELL US what would YOU PEOPLE DO?
Pull out? Run home? Beg on our knees for forgiveness from Bin laden, Zawahiri, Ahmadinejad and the other Jihadist leaders?
Go on, tell us – what are you going to do RIGHT NOW to end the threat from militant Islam that we are not already doing?
I want to hear it, but I’m sure it’s the same ‘Blame ourselves – look to the past – pacifistic Isolationism that has been repeated ad nauseum on Stalinist and Democrat blogs and sites already.
August 30, 2007 at 11:33 am
One quick note: How were we “non-interventionism from 1979 to 2001″? We funded and trained Bin Laden and the mujahideen to fight the soviets in that time. We funded both sides of the Iran/Iraq war. We then had the gulf war, followed by occupying Saudi Arabia and bribing Israel at the tune of 300Billion a year to not get into the fight. Not to mention the sanctions that we put on Iraq, which led to the deaths of almost 1.5 million.
That’s hardly “Non-Interventionist”.
(I didn’t even mention Lebanon or Libya)
Can I ask….are you in the military?
August 30, 2007 at 11:54 am
How were we “non-interventionism from 1979 to 2001″?
Did we punish Iran after they commited an act of war and kidnapped, tortured and held hostage American Embassy staff?
What kind of response did we give after the marine barracks bombing?
The Achille Lauro murder and hijack?
Right on down to the Riyadh bombings, the embassy bombings in Africa, the near-sinking of the USS Cole?
Nothing. We did jack crap. We waved an angry finger and made all kinds of empty platitudes about ‘justice’.
We funded and trained Bin Laden and the mujahideen to fight the soviets in that time.
Yes we did.
We also were allies with the Soviets during WWII – what’s your point?
We funded both sides of the Iran/Iraq war.
Yawn. Old conspiratorial bullshit.
We funded Sadaam. Not Iran.
We then had the gulf war
Why?
Is your answer “blood for oil”??
followed by occupying Saudi Arabia
What bullshit! We ‘occupied’ – meaning we RAN Saudi Arabia?? Are we still ‘running’ and ‘occupying’ Saudi Arabia today?
You can stop using the Bin laden justifications for waging war on American civilians anytime you’re ready.
and bribing Israel at the tune of 300Billion a year to not get into the fight.
But I thought America was a puppet of the Zionists in Israel?? Wouldn’t they be bribing us to act as opposed to doing what we could to keep them out of acting?
Not to mention the sanctions that we put on Iraq, which led to the deaths of almost 1.5 million.
More bullshit. Now you’re just spouting A.N.S.W.E.R. and Jihadist talking points. Sadaam could have fed his own people.
Instead he used the UN oil for food program to bribe UN officials and use the aid to make weaponry.
That’s hardly “Non-Interventionist”.
Fine, let’s just call it what it was: appeasement, and be done with it.
Can I ask….are you in the military?
You can ask.