September 7, 2007...10:38 am
“NeoCon” On-The-Brain, Ron Paul People are Certifiably Nuts
Even before the Fox News debate from the other night began, Ron Paul supporters were crying foul and prophetically declaring Paul would win the debate and not get the credit.
True to form, they have been ranting and screaming about everything from where Ron Paul was placed on stage to how long it took before he was asked a question.
As predicted, they declared Ron Paul the winner, (citing various online polls that they have galvanized their hordes to vote in) and have gone beserk calling Fox News and Sean Hannity “Neo-con stooges” for the debate platform; the atmosphere and post debate comments that noted the flood voting of Paul supporters.
The spat with Mike Huckabee has been a nonstop cite source for tantrums that invariable end up with the insulting slurs of “neocons” or “Jew lobby”.
As I’ve publicly said, I like Ron Paul’s strict Constitutionalism in terms of domestic policy and the small role of government. But I think his foreign policy ideas of imposing a 17th century mindset on our current high-tech, nuke-tipped and Jihad threatened world are not only naive and ignroant - but downright dangerous and stupid.
His own comments in the debate, his capitulation to Jihadists’ justifications with his “blowback” remarks and growing hostility in blaming America for causing 9-11 cement in concrete and steel for me that Ron Paul is completely UNFIT to be Commander In Chief.
What I keyed in on is his growing usage of calling anyone who disagrees with him, “neocons”. During the last few days, the commentary and debate I’ve had with Ron Paul People has only revealed that slur to be a secondary and motivating factor in wanting Paul for President outside of retreating from the war on Jihadists. The moment you disagree with them, the “neocon” slur gets fired over and over. They have “neocon” on the brain.
It’s amazing to discover that they hate “neocons” more than Jihadists, and some simply suggest there would be no Jihadists if it weren’t for “neocons” like me.
“Neocon” - short for neoConservative - or ‘not really a conservative’ - but a Jew, an Israeli or someone who supports Zionists” is apparently the common definition.
Lots of these Ron Paul People are anti-semites apparently - I’ve not heard such vile depricating bashing of Jews except when reading White Supremacist garbage, hearing Ahmedinejad speak or reading old Nazi propaganda.
They cleverly argue that they hate the “Israeli Lobby”, not Jews; that they hate Zionists - not Jews. What is the difference? Some Ron Paul People then try giving me a history lesson on Khazars and how they “hijacked” Judaism and such crap, subtly suggesting they are a “satanic people” and not really “Jews”.
But more common in debating these people, is that because I do not support RP for president - I’m called a “neocon”, or a “Zionist” or a part of APAC. They reveal they hate a fellow American as much as they do “Zionists” and Jews. Since when exactly did it become sacriledge to support Israel or Jews? Frankly I see no difference in what they say, and what Ahmadinejad himself states is a justification to “Wipe Israel off the map”. The despisement and hatred is of the same spirit.
Just another reason to add to the growing list of reasons why I will never support Ron Paul for president.
And if Ron Paul and his People keeps up like it has, I’m going to end up changing my mind about Ron Paul remaining in and serving in the Congress.
22 Comments
September 11, 2007 at 5:24 am
I guess the writer kinda has a hard time dealing with reality.
If they did not attack for the reasons that they gave, such as occupying the Arabian Penesula and bombing rgw Muslim country of Iraq, then why did they attack us prey tell?
Were 19 guys just out looking for shits and giggles one day and decided that flying airplanes into buildings, killing themselves as a result, might be a good idea?
Do you really think that they hate our freedom and prosperity so much that they would be willing to kill themselves to get back at us?
Do you think that Islam is just a fundamentally evil religion, and America’s tolerance for deviant behavior or our indulgent culture is so offensive to them that they would be willing to die to stop it?
How do you suppose that the Terrorists expect to win? You don’t suppose that the act itself is their goal do you? N0 of course not! Their goal is to terrorize us, and force the government to react. If it were our freedom and prosperity that they hate, then through the reaction of the government then they have done a fair job of deminishing both.
What do you think Jesus would do? Didn’t Jesus say to turn the other check? Didn’t Jesus say to remove the log from your own eye before you remove the speck from your friends. Didn’t Jesus say to love your enemy?
Ron Paul actions are more in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ than any other candidate out there, and they are more in line with the views of the founding fathers of this country. Dr. Paul is telling the truth when he talks about blow back, and that is the concensus of the CIA, and any rational thinking person can tell that it is the truth.
By reacting the way that we have to these threats of terrorism we have allowed the terrorists to accomplish what they never could without our consent. They have cost the treasury nearly a trillion dollars in the name of national security, killed thousands of our soldiers, and curtailed our liberty, all to the thunderous appaulse of frightened overly emotional cowards who are too afraid to acknowledge the truth about their rational, and the fact that this is not a problem that can be solved with violence.
September 11, 2007 at 9:45 am
Reality? No sir. You are living in a Pacifistic utopia in your mind.
If they did not attack for the reasons that they gave, such as occupying the Arabian Penesula and bombing rgw Muslim country of Iraq, then why did they attack us prey tell?
Read the Quran and find out. Those are just the immediate convenient excuses for waging the war that they are.
Were 19 guys just out looking for shits and giggles one day and decided that flying airplanes into buildings, killing themselves as a result, might be a good idea?
Islam’s history is filled with such terror. It is part of Bin Laden’s strategy to destroy the United States by destroying our economy. That is why he targeted the WTC. He even said as much.
After our economy goes, we have to shrink back and then we will be ready for conquest and subjugation to Islam.
Do you really think that they hate our freedom and prosperity so much that they would be willing to kill themselves to get back at us?
Yes. Look, they kill themselves to kill Spaniards, Danes, Indonesians. As Muhammed himself said - that they are to love death more than life.
Do you think that Islam is just a fundamentally evil religion, and America’s tolerance for deviant behavior or our indulgent culture is so offensive to them that they would be willing to die to stop it?
Yes.
Read Bin laden. Read Ahmadinejad. Read Hassan Nasarella. Read Khomeni.
Motivated by Islam, they decree America the Great Satan - and must see it destroyed.
How do you suppose that the Terrorists expect to win?
By forcing us to do what your messiah Ron Paul and moveon.org want to do. The mechanics of victory have been spelled out by our enemies.
After our unexpected decision to go to war on them, the Leaders of Jihad have told their followers to be patient, that we would lose our resolve and retreat like we did in Somalia. We are following their observations of how we would react to the letter.
What do you think Jesus would do?
The same thing He told Ancient Israel to do to those who came against them.
The same thing He Himself will do when He returns.
Read Zechariah 14 - get a clue. Peace will only come through war and defeat of an enemy. Even God will have to war on the enemies of the Prince of Peace to bring Peace.
Didn’t Jesus say to turn the other check?
Well, when the rapist and murderer breaks into YOUR house - after he ravages and kills your daughter, I expect you to offer them your wife as well.
Turn the other cheek, yes?
You people will get us all killed.
Since we were hit in NY - the way you and Ron Paul think, we should offer them LA as well?
Didn’t Jesus say to remove the log from your own eye before you remove the speck from your friends. Didn’t Jesus say to love your enemy?
Evil is not an enemy we are supposed to love. But you go ahead and give Osama Bin Laden a big kiss and hug if it makes you feel better. He’ll have your head sawn off right after you try to plant a wet one.
Loving enemies that are pawns of Satan, and tolerating evil are two completely different things.
Should we have loved the Nazis and the Japs? Turn the other cheek after Pearl harbor and the Conquest of Europe for the sake of thinking ourselves righteous?
You people are a joke.
Ron Paul actions are more in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ than any other candidate out there
No, Jesus is not an idiot when it comes to dealing with evil.
they are more in line with the views of the founding fathers of this country.
Only in matters domestic. He has no common sense when it comes to Jihadists hell bent on world conquest (Google Caliphate and get a clue) with nukes in their hands.
Dr. Paul is telling the truth when he talks about blow back
Because he is a moron that believes the only evil on the globe is the United States, and if we run and hide in our shell, the world will leave us alone and we will have peace and prosperity.
He is a lunatic.
By reacting the way that we have to these threats of terrorism we have allowed the terrorists to accomplish what they never could without our consent.
We didn’t do jack for nearly 30 years on an enemy that was at war with us. We followed the policy of appeasement that your political messiah is prescribing. Doing nothing in the face of those waging war on us, treating them like criminals as opposed to what they are; soldiers for Islam.
It earned us 9-11.
this is not a problem that can be solved with violence.
Well you go ahead and sing Kumbayah with Jihadists and see how far that gets you, we don’t want to see Americans blown to crap like we did six years ago.
I hope you are prepared to lick the hands of those who will be your masters and subjugate you to Islam, and let posterity forget you were ever our countrymen.
Misguided cowards, all of you.
Just make sure that when you get kicked in the crotch, you offer your face as well.
September 21, 2007 at 10:25 am
You guys need to start taking your medication again ..
September 26, 2007 at 10:34 pm
Yeah they hate us for our freedoms(sarcasm is dripping here folks)…
Not our sanctions that kill their children and women and illicit hate, not arming Israel to the teeth(even with Nuclear capabilities + $), not us occupying their holy lands…
SURE, and I guess the CIA, the 9/11 Commission and all others who have claimed blow back as a true consequence are simply wrong and must be “Jew Haters.”
It is all so simple…they are all anti-semetic, close the book they are evil and that’s that… Sorry not buying it for a minute.
Let’s get real, Israel is no joke- they could take out Iran/Iraq and about any other country in the area during a lunch break, they are not a weak country by any means.
Our foreign occupancy on Muslim holy lands and our direct and indirect policies in the region, pertaining to Israel or Saudi Arabia do infact make us less safe as a nation.
You may think that argument is funny, but I think it’s quite hilarious that you believe that Osama Bin Laden’s reasoning behing the 9.11 attack were made up…
HAHA Made up for what? To save face here? To Save Face in the Islamic world? He just orchestrated a gigantic terrorist ploy, yet he is worried that people would think he is a bad person if he is just citing the Koran, so he had to come up with reasons.
Oh yeah and screw “moveon.org.” Why would you even bring that up. Don’t try and put Ron Paul in that crew because he doesn’t support this war. I guess George W should be lumped in with them too because he thought the Clinton Admin had horrible foreign policy and police’d the world to much with dire consequences.
I think the Neo Con (happy now? I mentioned the words you love) thing isn’t working, a lot of the American people are beginning to realize this fact as well..
So screw the Lobbyists choices; Hillary, Obama and the Giulian/Romney clones…
$500,000 in what 3 days? Guess his “3″ supporters living in mom’s basement have been miraculously finding ways to “spam” and “email bomb” real money….
Ron Paul 08…. Our Plan 08…
November 13, 2007 at 6:05 am
I wonder how much the neo-cons paid you to write this article. I love how all you’re talking points are the same as Faux News. By the way, Rupert Murdoch is fund raising for Hilary. The whole political system is a fake. That’s why Congress, Bush, and Chaney’s approval ratings are at all time lows. Infowars.com, ronpaul2008.com Prisonplanet.com Truthnews.us
November 13, 2007 at 9:38 am
Yada, yada, Yada….blah, blah, blah……Alex Jones is a god….Bush flew the planes into the buildings……
You people are a freaking broken record.
And I get not a freaking dime to write anything. It’s my sworn duty to stand up against nincompoops and ideas anethema to what I believe in.
November 23, 2007 at 7:17 pm
First off, Ron won the poll. And yes we got annoyed when Fox disavowed their own poll for.. people voting for Ron? How bloody stupid do you think the American population is? The mainstream is lying/manipulating itself into irrelavance.
The war with Iraq is wrong, and that’s all one should have to say about it. Hunting down Osama is fine, but he wasn’t in Iraq. He isn’t in Iran. The evidence points to Pakistan, and don’t forget most the hijackers came from Saudi Arabia. So why in the hell are we wasting lives and resources in countrys that he isn’t in? Please. Great Islamic threat my arse. Crack a history book to world war II if you want to know what a real threat to this nation is.
Don’t know if you have any kids, but I do. A son, and there is no way that I’ll sit around and wait for him to be drafted down the road some a bunch of out of touch politicans to die on some racist holy crusade. A crusade that has all the legitimacy of trying to hunt down the bogeyman. That’s what it became when the hunt for Osama became a political platform to invade any nation that Washington pulled out of the hat during the week.
As to Israel, they are quite capable of standing on their own two legs. That doesn’t mean we can’t help them if some foe launches an unprovoked attack. However they are a soverighn nation, not a long lost protectorate of the US. They have a fully fledged millitary, with nucular weapons. In fact without worrying over Washington approval, they could deal more effectivly with their own hostile neighbors. Closing rifts where practical, and kicking the shit out of those that provoke, such as the rocket lobbing fanatics next door.
While your looking all that over, pay some attention to Asia. There is a real threat there, with an emerging China. Mark my words they will take advantage if we keep overextending ourselves fighting camel jockeys for handfuls of sand. A move on Taiwan means war under current defense treatys. A war we couldn’t fight well today, and couldn’t possibly win after another five years without time to rebuild and rearm.
December 9, 2007 at 10:08 pm
Yes, you sir are so much smarter than all of Dr Paul’s supporters.
December 10, 2007 at 8:14 pm
Your sword is drawn in the name of the Lord, but you sir serve the Devil!
December 10, 2007 at 10:05 pm
I think the Pharisees made similar charges to a certain man from Nazareth.
I stand in good company.
December 24, 2007 at 9:43 am
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January 4, 2008 at 6:20 am
I personally think that politics in America are BS, and do not really support any group, but you shouldn’t be criticising Ron Paul himself just for what some of his supporters believe or say. This seems to happen a lot in America, one leader ends up getting a following of some politically incorrect people or something, then everyone bashes that person as having the same views they do. And maybe it is too late for a policy of neutrality, but the whole bloody mess of hate against America has generally been caused by its previous intervention in foreign affairs and the way it has killed so many innocent people in the world. And don’t say it hasn’t because it most certainly has, probably more people than Hitler or maybe even Stalin killed. And don’t make me cite evidence of that, if you even have an inkling of the truth you know I’m right. Sadly there are plenty of people who have been completely numbed by the media and culture in the USA, and don’t know or couldn’t give a damn about the truth, or would prefer not to know.
January 4, 2008 at 10:33 am
you shouldn’t be criticising Ron Paul himself just for what some of his supporters believe or say.
One is often known by the company he keeps.
My criticism of Ron Paul’s campaign stemmed from my criticism of his ideas on foreign policy.
Those criticisms earned me death threats other assorted nasties from his devoted mobs, which lit my fuse to directly campaign against him and his followers.
And maybe it is too late for a policy of neutrality, but the whole bloody mess of hate against America has generally been caused by its previous intervention in foreign affairs
Nope, I don’t buy that argument. America was more or less isolationist before both world wars and we got dragged into them.
You would not have enjoyed the wealth and prosperity we have had the last 60 years if we hid like a clam under our rock. The world would have, and wants to - proceed on it’s regular standard course of beastly empires of men.
it has killed so many innocent people in the world. And don’t say it hasn’t because it most certainly has, probably more people than Hitler or maybe even Stalin killed.
America has killed more than 20 million people? (Stalin’s numbers) or Hitler (12-24 million)?
Unless you’re counting abortion, you’re WHACKED.
Methinks you would be happier living someplace else. Perhaps the Sudan?
January 7, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Maybe believing that the president doesn’t have to be a lip-servicing dishonest status quo bureaucrat is crazy.
Once it was considered crazy to say the earth was round.
It was crazy to think that microscopic particles could cause disease.
It was crazy to think gravity and not angels held the planets in place.
It was crazy to think a kingdom could exist without a king.
Crazy is synonymous with revolutionary.
Maybe we are crazy.
Or just ahead of those who refuse to think for themselves!
Leonhard Euler, Niels Bohr, Isaak Newton, Nicolas Copernicus, and Gallileo Gallilee
Were all crazy too.
so if the sane people of the world need the media to tell them what they think….
I WILL DEFFINATELY PERFER CRAZY
January 7, 2008 at 8:28 pm
By the way.
It is not hard to predict that FOX will try to sway the public before they actually do. They have a terrible track record, and are as predictable as the tide.
January 21, 2008 at 10:39 pm
WAR PROFITEERS SUCK
THERE IS NO HONOR IN HAVING THE MILITARY SERVE AS A SECURITY DETAIL FOR OIL TYCOONS
A NATION DOES NOT HAVE TO BE CRUEL TO BE TOUGH
January 22, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Well,
I believe that our actions in the Middle East have certainly caused us to be the targets of hatred, and thusly resulted in 911. If they didn’t, then our retaliation could have been swifter and more powerful, because European and other nations would have rallied to our cause in a heartbeat, with no hesitation.
If 911 were truly and purely an unprovoked attack on freedom, the world would have sought to retaliate with terrible vengence. Unfortunately, the instigator of 911 is an elusive enemy, but the world’s response to the Desert Strike shows that our position is not a popular one. I also feel that the war was entirely wrong, even though perhaps if we had given the UN and the world community more time to explore diplomacy and make sure that military action, which results in the slaughter of innocents, was certainly the only option left available, then the war would have been COMPLETELY justified and right.
Unfortunately, I feel that the anger and fear reaction to 911 is strong enough and easy enough in this country, that we will remain in this state for a long time to come, perhaps long enough to harm the earth and its people drastically. Military action of this nature is the international equivalent of beating your children to correct their behavior. We all know what the results of this can be in people…”blowback” in some form is almost guaranteed. The sanctions we had clamped on Iraq for years had them severely crippled, and I can’t believe that our intelligence actually suggested that we were in danger of imminent attack.
But, like I said, for the United States right now - and there is no blame in my statement - fear is much stronger than love, and I’m fairly sure that we will explore action based in fear for some time to come.
The path of love is a much more difficult and unpopular path to tread.
Oh, and…we sound like a broken record because we believe what we’re saying…same as you sound like a broken record saying that isolationist policies will get us all killed-because you believe what you’re saying. (by the way I don’t support isolationism, but rather loveolationism, which means doing our best to see that the world’s people has the best chance possible to fulfill their basic needs such as food, clothing, shelter, and freedom to be who they are, but without imposing our will where it is not wanted unless *absolutely* necessary, and as a last resort only. I also support government being driven primarily by the wishes of the people rather than financially-driven forces.)
Good luck everyone! Enjoy the election!
All I ask is that the candidate that the majority of our country’s people support wins.
January 22, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Well you clueless idiots are free to go and lick the palms and boots of the islamofascists you want to “love” because you have bought into stupidity and a false doctrine of utopian fantasy in a world with real barbarians you think you can appease.
Enjoy your Dhimmitude.
I’m now convinced God has given this nation over to idiots of strong delusion that think we should be a pacifist Socialist mobocracy.
January 23, 2008 at 3:06 pm
LOL?
Quoting the authors answer to another poster:
“Islam’s history is filled with such terror. It is part of Bin Laden’s strategy to destroy the United States by destroying our economy. That is why he targeted the WTC. He even said as much.”
I think the present government and it’s mismanagement of US funds has done that all alone. Nice try.
January 23, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Wow?
quoting author’s answer to another: “Should we have loved the Nazis and the Japs? ”
Japs??? This says it all about the author. Who is the Nazi again? Or is it a white hood you wear?
March 5, 2008 at 4:03 pm
“I guess the writer kinda has a hard time dealing with reality.” is right. Look at the truth before writing more garbage like this, thanks.
May 8, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Very easily put “All of the government is pimps, they all pimps because pimps say shit to you and then dont explain it. Thats how the government does it.” This is a problem before Iraq, Iran, osama, both bush’s you and me and before stupid 9/11! lets just say we take all the terrorist out of the world, i bet you a million dollars we are going go to war with someone or something else. I mean we went to war with “terror” right? I mean we got anglo-saxon terrorists we got asain terrorists we got african terrorists in the whole world and we even have terrorists here in america. Why are we only singling out the middle eastern people and invading there country, lives, homes, etc. We should go after every single terrorist here and abroad not just with iraq. And what about North Korea,which I really dont want to get into, but we most definetly should attack there commi-loving country right? If we are so fixated on taking on “terror” or “axis of evils” or any tyrant holding “weapons of mass destruction” i think the NK president is pretty much along those lines dont you think? What, so we go into Iraq and not NORTH KOREA? Doesn’t make sense at all… in fact its really fishy. ITs not only the war thats the problem its within the government. The war was made so things like these web sites and whos right or wrong about the middle-east, bringing up the past wars and what kind of people there are or have been. Why are they, the bush admin
and congress soooooooooooooooooooooooooo caring and soooooooooooooooooooooooooo loving to another country and want to help them out when we have a million problems here. We have to fix out problems before we can start helping others. Tell me how a crack addict is going to help another crack addict to quit? Its never gonna happen becuase they are just gonna find a quiet coner and get high.
“I am concerned for the security of our great nation; not so much because of any threat from without, but because of the insideous forces working from within.”
- General Douglas MacArthur
When I saw “Loose Change”( a documentary/consipiracy on 911) I was like okay whatever bush is an idiot and wants the oil. But then I saw “Exposing the Satanic Empire” (A documentary on freemasory and the Illuminati)and “Zeitgiest”(A documentray on federal reserve, 911, and the New World Order (NWO)) that just opened my eyes into a different world; a sad world. This war on “terror” ( that cannot be killed with human weapons) just scratches the surface of what is about to come, the NWO. That is all really what it boils down to. Ron Paul is against it and so am I. This isnt being against some party or taxe cuts or some law that i dont see fit. Im talking about one goverenment, one military, one nation taken over by the bank cartels and the “hidden hands” in the white house, Great Britian, the vatican etc. Think about it…
Invar, you wrote:
January 4, 2008 at 10:33 am
you shouldn’t be criticising Ron Paul himself just for what some of his supporters believe or say.
One is often known by the company he keeps.
My criticism of Ron Paul’s campaign stemmed from my criticism of his ideas on foreign policy.
Those criticisms earned me death threats other assorted nasties from his devoted mobs, which lit my fuse to directly campaign against him and his followers.
Ivar are you really gonna act on impulse against ingnorace? Because that is what you are doing. I mean do something you believe in man not because some people angered you by sending meaningless death threats. Im pretty sure Ron Paul doesnt want them doing that and if they did do it they arent Ron Pauls true followers! You have your right to your opinon as do I so dont let angry people get to you.
“The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control…. Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent.”
-Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets
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