November 11, 2007...3:25 pm
Ron Paul - “A Complete Nutcase Conspiratorialist Quasi-Anti-Semitic Leftwing American-Hating Nutball.”
While I have my stated opposition to Ron Paul as President given his Blame America First Isolationism and stupidity in the face of Jihadists - this particular article caught my eye.
You can file it under the “Follow The Money” heading - and when you follow the money given to the Ron Paul Campaign - you discover some frightening details about the ideologues who are supporting Ron Paul for President.
They are not Conservatives, or Republicans, or Constitutionalists - they are rabid Anti-American moveOn.org Leftists that are using the Ron Paul campaign to sabotage the GOP and they are attracting a host of GOP disaffected conservatives and anti-war pacifists to a banner that will do more harm than any good. I commented on this back in August that moveOn.org Anti-War Leftists were organizing the support of Ron Paul people to protest with them.
It seems Ron Paul is content to receive support from the most America-hating groups out there - and as such, he is nothing more than a Liberal Wolf in sheep’s clothing for the sole purpose of obtaining high office.
It’s either that - or Ron Paul is just plain insane and nuts as the Mainstream Libertarian Caucus’ Eric Dondero says he is.
Why the Ron Paul Campaign is Dangerous
Written by JB Williams
©2007 USA
I am fast becoming the most unpopular man in America, among Ron Paul supporters that is. Truth is seldom popular among those at odds with that truth.
Paul supporters have worked diligently to convince voters that their candidate is the “real deal” constitutionalist conservative in the ’08 presidential race and that he has a real chance of winning. But the facts simply don’t support either of these claims and pointing this reality out seems to drive Paul supporters into a fit of unbridled rage.
The fact is, though Ron Paul himself is no threat to anyone or anything, his campaign is on a track that is very dangerous for America and the conservative movement in particular. Although he is highly unlikely to win anything, his campaign is increasingly likely to cause real trouble for the legitimate Republican nomination process…
…But the recent surge in [Ron Paul] campaign contributions did raise a more important question.
Where’s all that money coming from?
At first, I assumed, and had even written, that Ron Paul’s financial support was coming from the Libertarian wing of the Republican Party. Then I was corrected by former Ron Paul aide and founder of the Libertarian Republican Caucus, Eric Dondero, who also founded MainstreamLibertarian.com and hosts blogtalk radio show Libertarian Politics Live.
In an interview with Dondero, he emphatically complained; “Please refrain in the future from using the label “Libertarian Republican” in describing Ron Paul. Call him what he is: Some sort of populist leftwinger.”
Dondero continued, “Since 9/11 Paul has become a complete nutcase conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating nutball.”
These were strong words from a former aide to Mr. Paul (from 1997 – 2003) and words worthy of investigation in my mind. So I decided to investigate, which in politics always means, follow the money.
Where is all that money coming from?
Upon investigation, it appears that Mr. Dondero is exactly right. Much of Ron Paul’s money is not coming from mainstream Libertarians or Republicans.
Although he is running as a Republican, he actually has very little support from rank and file Republicans, as every national Republican poll confirms. But it turns out that he has very little support from mainstream Libertarians either. As Dondero pointed out, “Ron Paul is only attracting support from the leftwing side of the libertarian spectrum, virtually none of whom are Republicans.”
According to official campaign fund raising filings posted at www.opensecrets.org, Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google. Google, with Al Gore on the board of directors, has a long history of progressive political activism, both in the way they censor search results to bury conservative slanted stories, and in their campaign contribution habits, which is solidly Democrat, with the exception of Ron Paul.
Like Howard Dean before him, Ron Paul first grabbed headlines with his very hi-tech internet campaign, which is now easily explained by the fact that his largest constituency is in the computer tech community. It also explains how Paul supporters have perfected the art of “spamming” or “jamming” online polls, creating a false impression of bigger support while invalidating poll after poll. Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.
Among Ron Paul’s top donor zip codes are of course parts of Texas, but also heavily liberal districts in Chicago (60614), San Francisco (94117), more than 80% of which supports Nancy Pelosi and Barbara Boxer, and Los Angeles – Long Beach, which is his second largest donor area after Dallas.
What we have here is a candidate trying to win the Republican nomination by raising money from liberals across the political aisle.
This is why his fund-raising is not translating to improved poll positions
His donors are not Republicans. So no matter how much money he raises, it is not translating into Republican support in the polls. He remains at or below 5% support in every national Republican poll, no matter how much money he raises….Yet his supporters still claim he is much more popular than the national polls indicate and that he will be the come from behind shocker at the Republican convention. How?
Here’s where the Ron Paul campaign becomes dangerous
Because Paul supporters know that support coming from non-Republicans is not reflected in the Republican polls, they have started a campaign to promote party-jumping so that their anti-war supporter’s from the left can vote in the Republican primary.
Twenty four states have “open” primaries, which means, one need not be Republican to vote in those Republican primaries. Ron Paul supporters are promoting both strategies – one in which Democrats, Independents, and members of other third parties can vote for him in “open” primaries where possible, and switch parties to vote for him where the primaries are “closed.”
The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not constitutionally conscious people. I do not know if the Paul campaign itself is behind this effort. But I am sure that the campaign is aware of this effort, as well as the fact that much of their funding is coming from people other than Republicans.
The Daily Paul is openly promoting Change Party Affiliation to Republican to Participate in Primaries. “As you may realize, there are many people from across the spectrum planning to support Ron Paul: Libertarians, Constitutionalists, Green Party members, disenfranchised Democrats, and of course the disenfranchised Republicans. Many of these people may not realize that they NEED to change party affiliations to Republican to vote in the GOP Primary in many States.” (A direct quote from the site)
So, how Republican is Republican candidate Ron Paul?
If he’s funded largely by anti-war leftists, from Democrat stronghold districts and counting on Democrats, Libertarians and members of the Green Party to win the Republican nomination, not very…
The only Republicans we find in his campaign are those myopic small government conservatives angry with Bush for his Democrat-like spending habits. Those so angry with Bush, that they are willing to overlook all of this just to vote for a candidate who promises less spending. Of course, we can’t entirely overlook the handful of moderate Republicans who oppose the war in Iraq either, few as they are.
Why is the Ron Paul campaign dangerous?
Despite his very real popularity across the political aisle, he is not likely to get enough people to switch parties in order to win the RNC nomination. But he is doing a great job of validating the perspective of all the negative propaganda uttered by leftists against Bush, Republicans, the War on Terror and national security. That’s not good.
He is also doing a great job of helping the left undermine the war on terror and that’s why he’s so popular among anti-war leftists, including in the press. This is bad.
……Paul and his supporters are busy carving up the party for their own anti-Republican agenda.
….I actually agree with many of Ron Paul’s positions, outside of his suicidal national security perspective of course. But I can not agree with the campaign tactics of using leftist money and votes to hijack the Republican nomination and I’m shocked that any Republican would.
There’s really no need to write another word about Ron Paul. If you can know all of these facts, follow the money and the links provided for their campaign tactics and still support him, you’re no Republican, much less a conservative or constitutionalist.
…That’s it! These are the facts. You don’t have to like them, you just need to know them.
112 Comments
November 11, 2007 at 3:48 pm
You claim you are a christian. But Jesus said, “Turn the other cheek, forgive seven times seventy, give the shirt off your back, let he who is without sin cast the first stone, judge not lest you be judged, do not call your brother a fool.”
Thanks for helping me show the world what violent, murderous, self-righteous hypocrites christians really are.
November 11, 2007 at 3:55 pm
Ron Paul’s going to win the presidency because the American people are sick and tired of the corrupt system that’s spent us into $9 trillion of debt and endless, pointless wars.
November 11, 2007 at 3:58 pm
What a great attempt at alarmist nonsense. No facts, just purple prose. You are to be congratulated, sir.
November 11, 2007 at 4:03 pm
Nice try - but like Satan - who told Eve “you shall surely NOT die, you take truth and twist it - just enough to set the decieved on down the path to death.
“Turn the other Cheek” has to be one of the most abused, misquoted and improperly applied statement of Jesus’ in American history.
Jihadists are not slapping us in a courtroom - chastising us for our faith.
They are lopping off our heads and blowing up women and children. When we start sawing off heads with a dull steak knife in honor of Jesus - your silly and ridiculous charge will have merit.
Like Ron Paul - you are obviously an apologist for Jihadists.
If you want to grovel at the feet of those who are set on destroying the temple of God’s Spirit in you - feel free to sacrifice yourself. Just don’t consign the rest of us to death because you have no common sense or courage to do anything but beg for your life.
You are certainly free to go and kiss the hands of those intent on converting and killing you. I doubt you will make many disciples.
November 11, 2007 at 4:06 pm
What a great attempt at alarmist nonsense. No facts, just purple prose. You are to be congratulated, sir.
Care to rebut anything JB actually says in his article - or like the good Liberal Leftists, will you just resort to poo-poohing it out-of-hand and call it nonsense?
Of course you will.
It’s what moveOn.org people do.
No substance - only emoting jibberish.
November 11, 2007 at 4:23 pm
Your article - especially the picture - is a compliment. The truth hurts! And the light of freedom and liberty cannot be hidden from view.
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi
November 11, 2007 at 4:39 pm
The truth hurts eh?
Well if the “truth” is that America sucks, is to be blamed for everything from global warming to orchestrating 9-11 - then your truth doesn’t hurt - it’s just damn INSULTING.
Really - when Osama Bin Laden and Ahmadinejad quote your wannabe messiah’s anti-war rhetoric verbatim - that’s not liberty and freedom you are shining - it’s treason.
But if you see blogs like this post as complimentary, why is it then you Ron Paul people beset every negative blog and thread about your wannabe messiah like a pack of jackals complete with a gnashing of teeth?
You never answer any of the questions and problems we raise about Ron Paul - it’s always the same sidestepping rhetoric with no substance.
Is Paul supported by movOn.org activists and money or isn’t he?
Does he utter the same Blame America First garbage the Left does or doesn’t he?
Did former Ron Paul Aide Eric Dondero call Ron Paul “a complete nutcase conspiratorialist quasi-Anti-Semitic leftwing American-hating nutball.” or didn’t he?
WHY does he call Ron Paul those things?
As usual with the emoting Left - many of you Paul People exhibit the same emoting insanity that they do.
Making it perfectly clear to those of us who are informed about what’s at stake - that Ron Paul is as dangerous to our well being and survival as having Hildabeast at the helm.
November 11, 2007 at 4:50 pm
A note about Dr. Paul’s campaign contributions:
While it is true that based on his 3rd Quarter fundraising numbers Google employees do constitute the largest employer by percentage of his donors, this money actually accounts for slightly more than one half of one percent of his total fundraising in Q3. In fact, the top 20 employers of his donors only constitute slightly more than 4% of total donations.
More interesting is that 32% of that 4% list the US Government (Army, Navy, Air Force, DOD, or Post Office) as their employer.
Also interesting is two of the other top 20 employers are General Dynamics and Raytheon. These companies are defense contractors that stand to benefit from the War in Iraq continuing, due to increased spending on their products. So why do their employees support a candidate that would actually take action counter productive to their business model?
Feel free to fact check this information yourself:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.asp?id=N00005906&cycle=2008
November 11, 2007 at 4:51 pm
He doesn’t say anything. Just hurls insults and makes unfounded accusations. Yup, looks like a moveon article to me. The war on terror is a joke. It consists of harassing citizens at the airport. The war on drugs is a joke, it consists of invading people’s privacy and putting addicts in jail. You article is a joke, too. Is this a humor site?
November 11, 2007 at 4:58 pm
Heh. What insecurity must possess you to insist that suggesting “America has done things in the past that have pissed off Arabs, which has caused them to attack us” is anti-American.
I guess the sign of a ‘true conservative’ is ‘close-minded’ and ‘unwilling to discuss’, which, of course, to any enlightened mind, reads ‘idiot’ and ‘fool’.
The truth is that the US has been extremely arrogant, to the point of attacking a sovereign nation for no good reason. Whether through intelligence failure or intentional ignorance, it has become clear Iraq had no WMD and posed no threat to the US nor its interests. It had no ties to Al Qaeda, indeed, being one of the few truly secular nations in the area.
As for your Christianity, I am sure nothing will disabuse you of your erroneous reading of the bible, but if Jesus himself was not worth saving from the tyranny of the Jews and Romans, how can you stand and say your sorry carcass is worth more? Further, the quote about ‘turning the other cheek’ is only one of many. Jesus also to be ‘wise as serpents but harmless as doves’ or some such. Jesus clearly taught non-violence, chastising Peter for defending him. The early church also taught non-violence.
The fact is that modern American protestantism is as far removed from apostolic christianity as middle-aged papal Rome. As a parting shot, to (mis)quote the words of Jesus, “truly, you have your reward’.
November 11, 2007 at 5:01 pm
Wow, is there no end to the filth that you will print?
Follow WHAT money? There are no pacs, no lobbyists, no special interests, no money from ‘Al Gore’ to whom Paul is diametrically opposed especially on the global warming hoax. Are you claiming that Ron Paul believes in GLOBAL WARMING? He just told 450 students at UNH this weekend that he does NOT and never has. So there’s your theory blown right out of the water.
Paul does not belong to nor aspire to ‘anti-war’ groups because as he told me, ‘they have another agenda.’
He despises groups like MoveOn.org and no, they do NOT support him in any way shape or form.
Most people in the Meetups are GOP like myself and all of us who were interviewed by the WP were GOP save for one who ‘used’ to be a Democrat years ago.
Dondero is a kook who was fired — believes in using prostitutes, has questionable intelligence. This is just sour grapes from him, the article you cite, and you.
Dondero’s been debunked everywhere on the net and including by the campaign. He has an IQ of about 80 so he might have said anything, but that doesn’t make it so. Funny, that. He calls Ron Paul those things because he’s mentally ill. Maybe he’s been seeing too many prostitutes.
Ron Paul does not aspire to ‘inside job’ theories or ‘blame America first’ theories, so that is a total misrepresentation. So wrong again.
Ron Paul is the only true conservative with a sane outlook and even the media knows it now. But there are some who, in a jealous rage, see the need to attack.
And this blog is just another liberal hit piece that won’t stick…because none of the theories in the original piece of dirt were well-researched and thus do not have any basis in fact.
When people donate, they have to put down who they work for. However, that doesn’t mean it’s a donation from a company, it’s from an individual as every single person who has donated so far.
I guess that $4.3M in one day puts a little damper on your failed prediction of Oct 25th. Heh. Ron Paul is the only person who can defeat Hillary which is why the left (YOU) are out to smear him.
I can picture your ‘type’ now: you are likely from the deep south, and you wear a white hood when not at your day job…and aspire to socialism.
Sorry buddy, there is no free lunch.
November 11, 2007 at 5:08 pm
Noooooooo….. hes not from the South. We believe in Christian principles and individual liberty in the South. Sorry, you yankees will have to claim him. What a revolting thing to say.
November 11, 2007 at 5:09 pm
“America First Isolationism and stupidity in the face of Jihadists”
Yep, If Ron Paul gets his way there won’t be any war with Iran. You can’t under estimate those Persians. Just because they have a GDP smaller than Finland and their entire military budget is less than 4 billion anually, well… The stupidity comes from Neocon’s whose answer to terrorism was to defund Interpol, invade Afghanistan and Iraq, prop up a military dictator in Pakistan with 11 billion dollars and bankroll a tyrant in Eqypt with a couple more billion. The reason Ron Paul is getting all this attention is the American people are waking up to the Neocons running amok.
November 11, 2007 at 5:22 pm
I find your brand of “Christianity” (if you can call it that) highly offensive and thus irrelevant. Anyone who could write such an article is suspect from the beginning. You write without fact (I am proof of that) and just spew venom for venom’s sake. This is the worst that I’ve read to date and that is saying alot. If you really want to know about Ron Paul go to http://www.ronpaul2008.com and if you want to know the real supporters visit your local meetup group. I hate yellow journalism!
November 11, 2007 at 5:25 pm
$8M and counting… and an even bigger day on 12/16
http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
No this guy is definitely from the south. If he’s against world gov’t, then he should be FOR PAUL.
There is no parallel to the ‘M.O.’ he claims…no one is creating a crisis, you can’t call someone isolationist and then say he’s alarming everyone into doing anything. He’s asking us to do NOTHING. He’s preaching freedom and peace, so that goes completely against all the imagery crap he’s posted down below.
This is am immature simple soul. Let him have his fun. It’s no matter.
November 11, 2007 at 5:28 pm
Oh - that is rubbish.
November 11, 2007 at 5:57 pm
This site isn’t worth the pixels it consumes. Get ready for Revolution, which side of history in the making will you choose? You and your lies will not stop it. It is far too powerful. You are an insignificant opposition to the message of Liberty, you sir, are the tyranical manure of which our forefathers spoke.
November 11, 2007 at 5:59 pm
Invar,
You asked for refutation:
“Ron Paul’s top contributor is well known internet giant Google.” –LIE
“Other tech giants like Microsoft and Verizon top his donors list as well.” –LIE
Tsk, tsk, tsk.
-0-
November 11, 2007 at 6:25 pm
How to Whip This Ron Paul Character and All His Wacky Followers.
Ron Paul can be defeated by ignorance. Ignore him if you can.
By lies. Misrepresent his positions whenever possible.
By word gaming. As Lenin advised, “First, confuse the vocabulary.”
By contempt. Dismiss him as amusing and pathetic.
By smearing his supporters. Find the worst and spotlight them. Call them a cult.
By consensus. Dismiss him with peer-pressure ridicule.
By false accusations. Spread them quickly and far.
By never discussing his policies. Change the subject to his person.
By the polls. Ask the right people the right questions and get the answer you want.
By reporting his most unpopular votes. But don’t report his reasoning.
By rudeness. Wreck any debate where his ideas are winning.
With all these tools, he can be easily defeated. Use them generously.
But Ron Paul cannot be defeated by refuting him in an honest and courteous technical debate. Avoid that.
- Moderno Machiavelli
November 11, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Wow, what a friendly, rational conversation…
Anyway, just wanted to weigh in and say I am a longtime conservative and I support Ron Paul. It is weird that so many conservatives assume that Ron Paul is “lefty” because he is against this war.
He has been praised highly by such famous Republicans as Barry Goldwater, Ronald Regan, Milton Friedman, Bob Novak, etc.
He’s got a better record on taxes and spending than any other member of either party, so why all the hateful talk about him being “leftwing” etc.?
Anyway, cheers.
-Chad
November 11, 2007 at 7:38 pm
JB Williams is an ignorant spammer. I’m glad there is finally a place that allows comments so this can be pointed out. He spammed my mailbox with pro-war proganda over and over, and has started many blogs all with the intent of smashing Ron Paul.
He does what the Ron Paul crowd is accused of. Even more mind boggling is he does it while accusing others of doing it. Not surprising for those of us who have been watching for awhile.
But I must thank them. Because they couldn’t be more transparent. The internet is not Fox News. It’s the old saying of when you point the finger, there are 3 pointing back at you.
November 11, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Heh. What insecurity must possess you to insist that suggesting “America has done things in the past that have pissed off Arabs, which has caused them to attack us” is anti-American.
First of all, it showcases absolute ignorance of the Muslim/Arab mindset.
Second, when you spend all your time denouncing America as vociferously as moveOn.org and Code Pinkos do - and it sounds strikingly identical to what Bin Laden, Nasarella and Ahmadinejad say - then yes, I call it anti-American.
I guess the sign of a ‘true conservative’ is ‘close-minded’ and ‘unwilling to discuss’, which, of course, to any enlightened mind, reads ‘idiot’ and ‘fool’.
Don’t even try it. A huge chunk of the Ron Paul brigades are not willing to “discuss” anything but insist how much of a messiah Ron Paul will be to deliver the nation from evil “neocons”.
To the point that his rabid supporters on some boards suggest that anyone who votes for anyone but Ron Paul should be considered traitors to the Constitution and shot.
Yeah…”enlightened” tyrants is more like it.
The truth is that the US has been extremely arrogant, to the point of attacking a sovereign nation for no good reason.
Thanks for once again bloviating the moveOn.org - DNC talking points. We had 12 years. 17 Resolutions. 1 violated U.S. Cease Fire and a Jihad declared on Americans.
“No good reason”.
As for your Christianity….
It is decidedly not anything like what passes for the feel-good emotional pablum of today’s Christianity that has sat idle while our culture goes right down the poop hole.
So rest assured and self-confident. Your brand of Churchianity is what makes up the vast majority in the States. I’m a tiny grain-of-sand anomoly in comparison.
Jesus also to be ‘wise as serpents but harmless as doves’ or some such.
I’m glad our Founders did not erroneously apply that misapplication of scripture to their set of circumstances. We would still be British Subjects today.
Jesus clearly taught non-violence, chastising Peter for defending him. The early church also taught non-violence.
By that reckoning, America should not exist. Christianity should not exist. Might wish to look up the Battle of Tours for starters.
Jesus and the Father are One. God on more than one occassion told His People in Israel to not only go to war against those who were a thorn in their side - but to annihilate them completely.
Jesus is going to come and wipe out 200 million soldiers gathered to fight him at the End of the Age. The truth you people refuse to understand is: peace only comes through the other side of war.
But I guess history is just a “neocon” conspiracy, eh?
Paul does not belong to nor aspire to ‘anti-war’ groups because as he told me, ‘they have another agenda.’
He despises groups like MoveOn.org and no, they do NOT support him in any way shape or form.
That makes you either grossly uninformed or a liar. Go and read some of the posts at Democrat Underground. Not only do they sound like what Ron Paul says regarding the war and non-interventionism, they WANT Paul to be squared against Hillary.
Ron Paul does not aspire to ‘inside job’ theories or ‘blame America first’ theories, so that is a total misrepresentation. So wrong again.
Okay - I think this just makes you a plain spinmeister (other word for liar) for Mr. Paul.
Here’s Mr. Paul’s own Blame America First words:
“When I discussed the blowback that came from us intervening on the Arabian peninsula, Chris Wallace asked me if I wanted to follow the marching orders of al-Qaeda. I responded that I wanted to follow the marching orders of the Constitution, and not wage undeclared, aggressive wars that cause us only trouble.”
Mr. Paul was addressing the issue of 9-11 with the question - and blamed everything from the Iranian Hostage crisis to 9-11 on the fact that America is “Over there” - meaning we BUY their stinking oil and do what we can to keep it flowing at market prices.
Mr. Paul is just another voice of the Blame America First mentality, and you NH - are simply a Paulie stooge, and a good disinfo smearmonger.
I find your brand of “Christianity” (if you can call it that) highly offensive and thus irrelevant.
Well Liz, I stand in good company.
Anyone who could write such an article is suspect from the beginning.
I did not write the article, I posted it from the link provided.
You write without fact (I am proof of that) and just spew venom for venom’s sake.
Yeah, I know…anyone who opposes your messiah is “venomous”, “tyrannical manure” that receives death threats for exercising free political speech.
So who are the tyrants exactly??
So far, based on the fruits - the Ron Paul Supporters are running right behind the Stalinists on the Left in my experience.
If you really want to know about Ron Paul go to http://www.ronpaul2008.com
Been there.
I disagree with his stated positions on foreign policy, this war Jihadists are waging and his plan to inpose a “non-interventionist” policy.
The last two debates showcased to me that he is a raving lunatic that has “neocon” on the brain as much as the moveOn.org DNC bunch does.
That makes them defacto allies in my book.
Too bad if you do not like my opinions, or my Christianity.
I’m not running for office, or a popularity contest.
November 11, 2007 at 7:47 pm
As Christians, we are called to live with Christ as our example. Your article is nothing but hate filled, baseless, rude and arrogant false witness. I pray that your readership doesn’t think that’s how Christ would act.
November 11, 2007 at 8:00 pm
Thanks Bryan, for again illustrating my contention, that if a majority of American Christians were present during Mark 11:15-16, Matthew 23:13-15, they too would charge Jesus with being a hate-filled baseless, rude and arrogant false witness.
America has made Christ into a bleeding heart pansy that has nothing but soft-spoken niceties to say about all things.
No wonder prayer is banned, God is being tossed out of the culture and homosexuals are on the verge of marriage as an institution.
America is going to be butter for the Caliphate to trounce given this level of wimpishness disguised as a faith.
BTW - as I said before, outside of my commentary - the article is from JB Williams.
November 11, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Get ready for Revolution, which side of history in the making will you choose?
Will you follow with death threats for not supporting your messiah like some of your comrades have already done?
You and your lies will not stop it. It is far too powerful.
That’s funny. Mamoud Ahmadinejad just said the same thing about Islam conquering the globe the week before last.
You are an insignificant opposition to the message of Liberty, you sir, are the tyranical manure of which our forefathers spoke.
There it is! Albeit much more subtle than the usual threats.
I will eagerly await your attempt to water your messianic tree of King Paul with my blood.
Considering your messiah says the same things Al Qaeda and Iran have to say about their justifications to war on America - I know how to view you people.
November 11, 2007 at 8:21 pm
The information in this article is factually incorrect, and easily refuted.
RonPaul2008.com has been posting all donations as they come in during the 4th quarter. Go to http://www.ronpaulgraphs.com and click on Donor Maps.
Ron Paul’s strongest support comes from the Mountain West.
And New Hampshire….
November 11, 2007 at 8:42 pm
The absence of documentation to support your absurd assertions that Ron Paul is being funded by the left and doesn’t appeal to Republicans and Libertarians is noteworthy. The republican party has been well represented at the meetings I have attended. Many of them represent the drove that have left the party over the past 8 years disheartened by continued governmental growth and spending under republican rule. It appears the republican party has moved to the left, leaving Ron Paul all alone on the right. Many folks see that.
The troops seem to like him too. Are you calling them a bunch of leftist as well?
You really need to get out more.
November 11, 2007 at 8:49 pm
You must be a dupe for Guiliani and his psycho followers like, Bernie Kerik, Pat Robertson, and Trokyites like Noman Podhertz, William Kristol, and others.
This stuff would be hillarious if you had a sense of humor, but is only sad.
November 11, 2007 at 8:59 pm
Oh? Ron Paul is raising Money from others than the Hannity clone base.. whaaa, whaaa
You sound like a baby Neo Con. whaa whaa don’t take away my war on terror whaa whaa…..
Your Insane Mr Williams- Sorry, we don’t want endless War a bankrupt Nation. Sorry, If you think It OK or was just invevitable that we had to give our Manufacturing base to the Communist Chinese and now they build a military against us and are shadowing our Navy and shooting Satelites out of Orbit! Your a BAFFOON……OR just Antoher Criminal with ties to the NeoCon Agenda.
Your wrong also- there are many REP in his campaign! Lots of Consitutional ones…
I think that Neo Cons should be rounded up like Nazis… You’ve brought our Country to the brink of Disaster!- and you did it with stolen elections…….
Do you purposely over look the FACT the Iraq and Iran are lies!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Not a small matter Sir!
Do you overlook the fact that Ron Paul gets more Money from the military in Iraq than any onther Canidate…. Are ya gunna Cage there Votes again!!
All Neo Cons, Fox news, Hannity, Bill O ,Rush Ruppert [EDITED Profanity] - You Can all go to hell we are taking over the Republican party and many Neo Cons will be lucky if they don’t go too jail….
How can you say We are Crazy when Everthing the Neo Cons stand for and did are crazy?- And Evil truley Evil…..
Wake up! Being against the War dosen’t mean your not Conservative…… How [EDITED Profanity] up are you?
So go to hell your in the Minority now anyways the “True” Republicans as you call them are a small minority now and will soon turn out to be a shameful memory of years ago….
You see THERE IS NO WAY ANYBODY ELSE CAN BEAT HILLARY BUT RON PAUL-PERIOD!
70-80 OF ALL AMERICANS WANT OUT NOW!
So your insane- truley insane, You need to start reading history books…..
Paul RevereII NH- First in the Primarys….
November 11, 2007 at 9:25 pm
djahn,
As I stated earlier, I did not write the JB Williams article - I merely linked to it and posted excerpts.
Whether RPs funding is as Mr. Williams attributes would not be surprising to me due the FACT that I know many, many hardcore Leftists and those on DNC forums and blogs I peruse that SUPPORT Ron Paul’s anti-war positions and are rallying their ideologues to support RP in the primary to go up against Hillary.
RP is no Conservative - he is a Libertarian, tried and true, and while the GOP is become Democrat Lite, I refuse to support RP on the fundamental issue of foreign policy and national security.
I know plenty of troops in the 101 and 82nd, countless Guard Units in Theatre and on leave including my own nephew who put RP in the same boat they toss Pelosi, Reid, Durbin and Murtha.
November 11, 2007 at 9:38 pm
You must be a dupe for Guiliani and his psycho followers like, Bernie Kerik, Pat Robertson, and Trokyites like Noman Podhertz, William Kristol, and others.
You would be wrong. I will not vote for Guiliani and I do not support the host of Northeastern Liberal Politicos. Right now, I have no preference for Prez - they are all disappointing or downright frightening.
All I know for certain is that Ron Paul, Guilianni or anyone from the DNC or Socialist Parties is not getting my vote - and I will campaign as if I was at war against them obtaining the WH.
You sound like a baby Neo Con. whaa whaa don’t take away my war on terror whaa whaa
Ahhh yes. The typical Ron Paul Moonbat Supporter emerges to toss out the anti-semetic MoveOn.org talking points and tirades.
“Neocon, neocon, neocon, neocon…blah, blah, blah….”
Like I said - straight from the same bowels of the MoveOn.org Code Pinko Leftist brigades of Socialists and other Hate America, Bash Conservative wing of the political spectrum.
I think that Neo Cons should be rounded up like Nazis… You’ve brought our Country to the brink of Disaster!- and you did it with stolen elections…….
You forgot to say that after you round us up in boxcars for camps, we should all be shot as traitors and our children forced to eat our carcasses before they are all shot too.
Or are you a different Ron Paul supporter than the one who e-mailed that suggestion to me a week or so ago?
Thanks Mr. NotRevere - for illustrating to everyone what the typical Ron Paul supporter that I encounter is really like.
Punks who threaten and worse.
Will the Primary be your messiah’s Beer Hall Putsch??
Looks like it to me.
November 11, 2007 at 11:16 pm
Oh Gosh here it goes again. Ron Paul supporters who visit here go triple your donation to Paul.
November 11, 2007 at 11:31 pm
You sir,
Are a waste of bandwith.
November 11, 2007 at 11:45 pm
Not all of Ron Paul’s positions are in line with Libertarians. In fact, I know some who oppose Ron Paul and argue that Guiliani is more libertarian. I don’t see that. I do see that Ron Paul appeals to a broad base that certainly includes some of those on the left, but the larger base wants to see a change in our foreign policies, a reduction in the size and scope of government, lower taxes, a sound currency and a pro life president. Those were traditional republican values prior to 2000. That no longer appears to be the case.
Bush and a republican congress expanded government and plunged this nation further into debt. Then they set about on a perpetual war for perpetual peace that will always elude this nation if we don’t change our ways.
All I can tell you is that your perception of things is not consistent with my observations and first hand knowledge of this campaign. You are using a broad brush that just doesn’t fit.
You can find the truth if you seek it, or you can continue to spread disinformation.
November 11, 2007 at 11:52 pm
You sir,
Are a waste of bandwith.
Likewise I’m sure.
It is amazing to experience the same insane vitriol and death-threat-foaming-at-the-mouth spew from Ron Paul People that you get from the Democrat Underground and MoveOn.org bloggers when taking their darlings to task.
In fact, it’s downright eerie.
Because it’s the same folks - and/or the same spirit of insanity motivating them: get their messiah into power to “save” the people.
No wonder all republics fall into dictatorships by the clamour of the people.
They get nutcases like Hillary and Ron Paul whipping them into notions of salvation.
November 12, 2007 at 12:20 am
djahn,
Finally, a reasonable person.
I do see that Ron Paul appeals to a broad base that certainly includes some of those on the left, but the larger base wants to see a change in our foreign policies, a reduction in the size and scope of government, lower taxes, a sound currency and a pro life president.
The Left and the neoLeft support Ron Paul’s run for two reasons: they want him opposite Hillary in the General Election because it takes the one issue she is weak on, off the debate table and pits the issue of pure Socialism and government takeover of everything from healthcare to big oil - against the domestic Constitutional issues Ron Paul barks about.
On that score - Begala, Carville and the Clinton Crime family see it as a landslide win for Hillary as urban welfare statists go up against - a “cut-it-all-down” Constitutionalist - and they are already prepping the battlefield to scare everyone to death that Ron Paul will gut welfare, SocSec bennies and most govt. programs for the “poor and disenfranchised”.
Ron Paul stands no chance to get his platform over a welfare state urban elite, because the Clinton machine understands that most Americans are totally ignorant about the Constitution - and know most of them give a rat’s ass about it - until it invades their privacy or right to do what they want.
Those were traditional republican values prior to 2000. That no longer appears to be the case.
Unfortunately no. The Bluebloods want the GOP to dump Conservatives - and expand the government Corporate Welfare State on par with the Socialist welfare state.
Bush and a republican congress expanded government and plunged this nation further into debt.
True - but you folks keep forgetting that Congress controls the purse strings.
Bush cannot spend jack crap without Congress - and last I looked - the party split was hair-breadth narrow with enough liberals in the GOP to swing to whatever the Democrats wanted to do.
Then they set about on a perpetual war for perpetual peace that will always elude this nation if we don’t change our ways.
You just don’t get it.
We’ve had literally DOZENS of attacks on Americans for 3 decades plus by this rising beast of Islam.
Perpetual assymetric war is upon us whether we want war or not - until we are destroyed or subjugated. Stop listening to Ron Paul and the Code Pinkos and listen to what our enemies are saying and doing.
Churchill went through the same crap - no one listened to what he was warning everyone about Hitler either. Instead of risking a few thousand lives to stop what he saw as a beast rising out of Germany when the cost was managable - they waited, until they were on the verge of being conquered - and it took MILLIONS of lives to set right.
Ron Paul is clueless about such wisdom given his positions on foreign policy in a very real and hostile world.
All I can tell you is that your perception of things is not consistent with my observations and first hand knowledge of this campaign.
My knowledge is based on what interaction I receive from Ron Paul supporters on forums and blogs first hand. Your observations are skewed to the colored glasses you are wearing.
My observations are in light of what Ron Paul has written, has said in debates and online interviews and from his web site, and what his myriad support base has to say and how they behave.
I have to state that I have yet to get a death threat from a Hillary supporter, but I’ve had several from purported Ron Paul people.
Aside form his positions I oppose, the company Ron Paul attracts are people I want nothing to do with.
You can find the truth if you seek it, or you can continue to spread disinformation.
I will continue to post my opinions, whether anyone likes them or not. You can call it what you like.
But rest assured I will be calling things what they are in my estimation.
November 12, 2007 at 1:28 am
What is the differnece between a Conservative and a Libertarian?
“If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.”
“Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.” -Ronald Reagan, 1975
Turning the other cheek isn’t only done out of forgiveness. It is also done out of indifference. Terrorists may bomb us, but they are irrelevant. I don’t feel terrorized, because I am not a coward. I walk through the valley of the shadow of death and fear no evil. Why should we spend ourselves to the poor house for a few terrorist bombings? They are weak, not us.
November 12, 2007 at 10:50 am
Turning the other cheek isn’t only done out of forgiveness. It is also done out of indifference. Terrorists may bomb us, but they are irrelevant.
To indifferent people like yourself who probably didn’t lose any loved ones on 9-11 like some of us did.
I don’t feel terrorized, because I am not a coward.
No, you don’t feel terrorized because you refuse to see the threat, outside of perhaps your own countrymen. They get more vitriol than the Jihadists do with Ron Paul and MoveOn.org/Code Pinkos.
Why should we spend ourselves to the poor house for a few terrorist bombings? They are weak, not us.
That’s rich…ly ignorant. The idea behind the bombings and flying planes into buildings was to send us to the poor house by destroying our economy, making us easier to destroy.
Like I said - you people need to consider what our enemies are saying they are going to do to us. You might think they are weak - you have a very big surprise coming.
They are serious about world conquest - our politicians are only serious about obtaining power for themselves.
November 12, 2007 at 1:15 pm
Wow! This article just inspired me to make another donation to the Paul campaign.
Interpret the information on Paul any way you like. As an individual i’ve voted Republican in the past but in the last few years would never have considered it except for Paul. A few weeks ago I re-registered Republican to vote in the primaries.
I’ve voted in all those polls that he won and have no idea how to ’spam’ or ‘jam’. I’ve donated twice already, will be donating again today on your behalf and I am most certainly not a member of the ‘left’
Please write more like this. It gets us really fired up!
November 12, 2007 at 1:20 pm
Why don’t we count up the number of regimes that the US has supported that are now turned against us. Iraq, Iran, Afgahnistan, Pakistan, Cuba. I think that there is something wrong with our foreign policy. How much money do we have to steal from the American public before the realization that messing with the world only messes up America?
Dr. Paul is not an isolationist, he is a non-interventionist just like the founding fathers. Would you call them isolationists? Isolationists don’t support free trade and communication with all nations, Dr. Paul does.
If Iraq is so important to you, I’ll ask at what point do we leave? If we leave after they setup a government then it may still be toppled by a jihadist regime. Or do we simply continue to support the country and the rest of the world at the expense of the American taxpayer and soldier. How many years do we have to stay there?
You are promoting a policy of liberalism abroad. It is nothing more than welfare for the rest of the world. That is the only difference between republicans and democrats today, it’s who they want to support and wether it is with taxes or deficits. Either way we will be broke and Dr. Paul doesn’t support either form of liberalism.
I am a lifelong conservative Republican and I nor any of my conservative friends are stupid enough to believe that spending all of our money over seas pitting one faction against the other until they both hate us is going to make any of us safer.
I am sorry if you don’t realize how liberal this warfare and welfare policy is, but a true conservative wouldn’t want to spend my money until I was so poor that I had no place to turn except the government that made me that way.
Life, Liberty and Property. If we are to realize that here in this country then we must let other nations be free to choose their own destiny. Please don’t twist my words either, because I don’t mean sit back and be attacked. But as of now we have no real threats other than within our own borders. Maybe you should go back and read some of the writings of Washington, Jefferson, Paine, Franklin, Lincoln and others so that you might heed the warnings that they have given about the trap you are falling into.
November 12, 2007 at 1:29 pm
Oh. So that means that Mr. Paul is no different then all of the other candidates ? I’ll take my chances with Mr. Paul. At least he’s honest about what’s wrong, and is not being a pansy flip-flopper, trying to suck up to the public to get votes. You think that he’ll actually fare worse than the clowns he’s running against ? Get a clue - if you think that Ron Paul is a ‘nut’ and the other candiates aren’t, then YOU are the ‘nut’ !!!!
November 12, 2007 at 1:57 pm
Please, please, do not upset our two-party applecart!
My favorite line is:
“The mere notion that a Republican presidential candidate should be nominated by this strategy is insane and very dangerous to the entire election process. At a minimum, it is a demonstration of just what kind of people are behind the Ron Paul campaign, obviously, not constitutionally conscious people.”
The two-party system with its nominating processes are wholly extra-constitutional. There is nothing sacred about it. It is just the obstacle that has to be dealt with if you happen to be reason outside the two-party echo chamber.
Funny. Michael Medved says “Don’t run third party, run within the two party system instead.”
November 12, 2007 at 2:00 pm
Why don’t we count up the number of regimes that the US has supported that are now turned against us. Iraq, Iran, Afgahnistan, Pakistan, Cuba.
Don’t forget to add Venezuela, France, Germany, Spain, and the host of old Europe that we rebuilt after the WWII.
I think that there is something wrong with our foreign policy.
Yes, obviously buying oil and spending money in trade and rebuilding both our enemies and our allies is bad juju.
Americans seem to have forgotten that we are an anomoly in human history - and that the world is a dangerous and hostile place that does not share our unique values and viewpoints.
How much money do we have to steal from the American public before the realization that messing with the world only messes up America?
Until the world comes knocking on our doorstep and kills Americans in the quest for global domination like it did in 1917, 1941 and 2001.
This mantra of “mess in the world messes America” is just plain stupidity and gross ignorance of reality.
Dr. Paul is not an isolationist, he is a non-interventionist just like the founding fathers.
Care to explain Jefferson’s use of the Marines on the Barabary Coast?
Paul is worse than an Isolationist - his foreign policy ideas are dangerous and stupid.
If Iraq is so important to you, I’ll ask at what point do we leave?
If it were up to me, when the nests of Jihadist Islam is utterly destroyed and Muslims quake in fear at even the thought of hostility directed at any American or America. They can benefit from a great freindship if they choose to.
Or do we simply continue to support the country and the rest of the world at the expense of the American taxpayer and soldier. How many years do we have to stay there?
We can nuke them into obliteration or conquer them and make their nations provinces of the U.S. and put up McDonalds and Walmarts everywhere.
America has no stomoach for that - and given what we did post WWII with the Marshall Plan - we’ve seen and reaped the success of such a policy.
Given how many trillions we have wasted on a failed welfare state in America, I’m all for scrapping those hundreds of billions for national security.
You are promoting a policy of liberalism abroad.
I’m sure that’s how you see the Marshall Plan. Perhaps we should have just obliterated Germany from the map and left them in ruins?
Either way we will be broke and Dr. Paul doesn’t support either form of liberalism.
Good luck trying to turn off the welfare spigot here in the states. Be prepared for mass bloodshed from the dependent class.
I nor any of my conservative friends are stupid enough to believe that spending all of our money over seas pitting one faction against the other until they both hate us is going to make any of us safer.
News for you - most of our money is spent on domestic welfare bullsheit and pork for politicians and the Blame America First position you people hold is as absurd as anything the Democrat Underground spews forth.
Life, Liberty and Property. If we are to realize that here in this country then we must let other nations be free to choose their own destiny.
Do you people not listen to Islam’s leaders?
Their stated destiny is to annihilate America and Israel and conquer the world for Allah.
And you people think that we should let them choose that destiny? Somehow that’s moral and right?
Were you people asleep on 9-11 or what?
Your ideas are buffonery steeped in ignorance of reality. Life, Liberty and Property ARE NOT VALUES ISLAM BELIEVES IN FOR THE INDIVIDUAL.
If you truly believe we have no real threats other than from fellow countrymen like me - then not only are you not paying attention to reality - you’ve bought into the very zeitgeist towards our destruction.
Jefferson went to war on the Mohommadens if you recall your history BTW.
Unlike you folks - he was paying attention to the threat they posed, and decided to do something beyond the “non-interventionist” policy you keep preaching.
November 12, 2007 at 2:06 pm
Oh. So that means that Mr. Paul is no different then all of the other candidates ?
No - he’s screwier.
I’m still not sure who is more dangerous as CINC - Hillary or RP.
Hillary will ensure our subjugation to Socialists.
RP will ensure our annihilation by Jihadists.
They are just two people that will NEVER get my vote.
November 12, 2007 at 2:27 pm
“RP will ensure our annihilation by Jihadists.”
lol
annihilation. sure. How about a little perspective.
November 12, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Our biggest threat is the wasting of America’s wealth. We cannot afford to be the policeman of the world or support massive government here. Ron Paul is the only candidate proposing to stop both. If you’ve noticed the value of the dollar has suffered tremendously recently due to our lack of fiscal restraint and the policies of our corrupted federal reserve. Or are you oblivious to that as well. This is the reason Dr. Paul gives for getting into politics in the first place.
Dr. Paul gave a speech in February of 2001 warning us of the results of our interventionism around the world and lo and behold the tragedy of 9/11 occurred. He was wise enough to see the road we are traveling down, why aren’t you?
You can go on and try to perpetuate this policy of spending money but you must also realize that it will guarantee that the United States will soon no longer be in a position to continue it.
A better path going forward would be to stop providing incentives for illegals to come into the country, making the border more manageable and alleviating the burden on the border patrol. And stop providing the incentive for terrorists to recruit radical fundamentalists. We would then have more resources to pursue the terrorist that pose a true threat to America, the ones that are here within our borders. No I don’t mean Americans, I mean Islamic terrorists. I’m not naive enough to think that they don’t exist, but I’m also not naive enough to believe the ones in Iraq are the threat.
November 12, 2007 at 2:47 pm
“How about a little perspective.”
Here’s some “perspective” for you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUE2nS8HEWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smKK8Tzhpso
Add a nuke to the equation above and do the math to get a “perspective” of what a Ron Paul Presidency guarantees.
November 12, 2007 at 3:01 pm
What do those videos have to do with Iraq or Iran?
Ron Paul voted to go after those responsible for 9/11. It’s not his fault that effort got side-tracked.
P.S. It was the US government that told airlines “Pilots can’t have guns.” and “Don’t resist hijackers.” The jihadists did their homework. Another well-intentioned government policy had unintended consequences.
November 12, 2007 at 3:08 pm
Dr. Paul gave a speech in February of 2001 warning us of the results of our interventionism around the world and lo and behold the tragedy of 9/11 occurred.
Ron Paul operates from the absurd stupid idea that all problems we face are self-made, which is why I label him what he is: A Blame America Firster.
There were warnings about the threat militant Islam was going to pose to us in the mid-1970’s. They were almost shouting about them to the Reagan Administration, and after the 1983 bombing of our Marines in Lebanon - Reagan did exactly what Ron Paul suggests we do today: run home.
In the subsequent near 20 years - we have been routinely attacked and Americans killed with no retaliation whatsoever.
That course of “non-Interventionism” is exactly what earned us 9-11.
If you people would stop and study what the leaders of Jihadist Islam have to say - you would get a clear picture of what and why they are going to try and take us down.
We are the only obstacle towards implementation of global Sharia Law. They cannot do it with us in the way. All lands are to be made Muslim - and ours is a Kuffar Nation - one that needs to be destroyed before the Mahdi (or Imam) can return to lead Islam to global conquest.
He was wise enough to see the road we are traveling down, why aren’t you?
RP is not wise when it comes to foreign policy. He is a fool, and as unhinged as the movOn.org bunch - spouting the same exact recipes.
You can go on and try to perpetuate this policy of spending money but you must also realize that it will guarantee that the United States will soon no longer be in a position to continue it.
When defense spending outpaces the Welfare State spending, we can talk.
A better path going forward would be to stop providing incentives for illegals to come into the country
Good luck convincing Democrats and Republican Liberals of that.
What is RP’s plan outside of bitching about it?
making the border more manageable and alleviating the burden on the border patrol.
What the hell does that mean?
How about sealing the damn border and putting milita on it?
And stop providing the incentive for terrorists to recruit radical fundamentalists.
Then you need to burn every copy of the Quran on the planet. THAT’s the incentive - coupled with Imam’s hell bent on global jihad.
We would then have more resources to pursue the terrorist that pose a true threat to America, the ones that are here within our borders.
How does RP plan to tackle the calls of “racism” for doing such a “profiling”??? Earning the rabid ire of the moveOn.org pinkos supporting him at the moment?
I’m also not naive enough to believe the ones in Iraq are the threat.
Iraq is nothing but a beach head in the war on Jihadist Islam.
After Iran supplies Bin laden’s delivery boys with a nuke for a tramp steamer or a van coming up from South of the border - you’ll perhaps see the widsom of having a beach head in Iraq.
November 12, 2007 at 3:20 pm
What do those videos have to do with Iraq or Iran?
How clueless do you people have to continually illustrate yourselves?
Stop thinking like a stupid American stuck in the mindset of a WWII nation-state conflict.
This is an assymetric RELIGIOUS WAR.
Get it through your THICK SKULLS. Borders, nations and races mean NOTHING. Jihadists who have attacked and killed Americans are Saudi, Yemense, Egyptian, Lebanese, Iranian, Iraqi, Kuwaaiti, Indonesian, Libyan, Algerian….
…They attack us because we are not Muslim and do not support Sharia, and we have power and might they think is rightfully theirs and do business and touch feet to Muslim lands.
do you people get it yet?
No of course not. Ron Paul is your messiah, and he speaks of blowback - so therefore - America is to blame, not Jihadists.
This is a war with non-state actors in a non-state conflict. This is a war birthed in the minds of belief, not a country.
Ron Paul voted to go after those responsible for 9/11.
He did?
Did he vote to declare war on Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Egypt?
or as one Ron Paul supporter told me:
“Those responsible for the attack on 9-11 are dead. So justice is already served”
I do not think you get more idiotic than that.
But I’ll guess that as the commentary goes on - we are going to see it right here from the Rabid Ronnies.
November 12, 2007 at 3:47 pm
“He did?”
He did.
Ron Paul voted for H.J. 64 “IN GENERAL- That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons, in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.”
November 12, 2007 at 4:11 pm
Let’s take a good look at the language here and discover something the anti-war nutballs deliberately overlook:
That the President is authorized to use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001
First off, the language says “he determines” - meaning the President. The president determines which entities planned, authorized, commited and aided the Jihadists.
We know the Taliban in A’stan aided Al Qaeda.
What about the Al Qaeda cells in Qatar, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere that had roles in the planning and execution of the attacks in 2000 and 2001?
The cells were made up of nationals from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Yemen and Lebanon.
Should Bush use force on those nations? Saudi Arabia helped fund and finance part of the operation.
or harbored such organizations or persons,
The cells met in Hamburg Germany to initiate the training phase of the attacks.
Should we punish Germany?
Pakistan has militants that harbor both the Taliban and Al Qaeda. There’s the madrassas in Saudi Arabia and the Mid East that harbor Al Qaeda jihadists.
The point is that this is an assymetric war - that goes beyond borders and nation-states.
Ron Paul’s brain only operates on the wavelength of the 1700’s nation-state paradigm.
Bin Laden has Ron Paul trounced with his ancient stance to an immovable mindset.
in order to prevent any future acts of international terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons.”
Wow…to PREVENT ANY FUTURE ACTS.
Isn’t that amazing language?
So if the Prez decides to attack Iraq and Iran to prevent the kind of attacks on Americans that they promise to unleash - would that not fit the very language Ron Paul once agreed to but now like Hillary has changed his mind?
Interesting.
It’s all about surrender and appeasement though with the mindset that Ron Paul and the MovOn.Org/Code Pinkos share together.
November 12, 2007 at 4:15 pm
I see desperate people.
November 12, 2007 at 5:07 pm
“Wow…to PREVENT ANY FUTURE ACTS.
Isn’t that amazing language?
So if the Prez decides to attack Iraq and Iran to prevent the kind of attacks on Americans that they promise to unleash - would that not fit the very language Ron Paul once agreed to but now like Hillary has changed his mind?”
The only amazing thing is how you pulled a small part of an already short resolution completely out of context.
The resolution authorized the Prez to deal with those responsible for 9/11 in order to prevent future attacks. The resolution did not give authority for the Prez to attack any state that, by his judgment alone, could conceivably attack the US sometime in the future.
Besides. Am I missing something? Did Iran or Iraq promise to attack the US? The Iranian prez was here a while back and I didn’t hear anything like that.
In retrospect, I’m sure Ron Paul wishes the congress was a little more specific than it was, but who could have predicted Bush’s later actions when Bush ran on a humble foreign policy of no nation building?
November 12, 2007 at 5:24 pm
“Did he vote to declare war on Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Egypt?”
Of course he didn’t because the neo-con movement that you love so much is busy supporting those states. We will have to wait until they turn against us, like Iraq and bin Laden have done, before we can declare war on them as well. Oh, I mean declare use of force, not war.
When are you going to realize the massive expense of all that you want to do around the world is unaffordable, unwise, and is itself destroying America? Name one country or group of people since WWII that we are fighting or have fought where we did not at one time support monetarily or militarily or in which we didn’t instigate the fight?
We supported Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in Iran. Then after the democratic election of Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq, we supported a coup to reinstall the Shah. Most logical people conclude that this was the cause of the Iranian revolution. Lest we forget also the Iran-Contra affair. We supported Saddam Hussein through out the 80’s for his mutual dislike of the Iranians, we even helped him create biological weapons. But when Iraq went into Kuwait we decided, that with the soviet union dead, we could flex our muscle as a world power. Whatever beef the Iranians or Iraqis have with us comes entirely from our intervention in their affairs. It is that intervention that stirred up the fervent fundamentalist movement. Had we remained a neutral country in foreign affairs and worried only about our direct relationships and not the internal affairs of others, I believe we would be in a far more peaceful situation today. As it is, we cannot take back the past, but we can recognize our mistakes and begin a new foreign policy, perhaps a neo-good neighbor policy. We have far too much to worry about within our own borders to be concerned about the borders of the rest of the world. But you would prefer to spend us into oblivion and disaster.
You keep saying “good luck” when it comes to Ron Paul and his domestic policies and trying to limit spending at home as well. I will just say that I would prefer to elect a conservative who fails at his attempt to reign in spending then to elect someone who will make no attempt at all. Besides telling everyone what they want to hear and not backing it up with reasoned positions, what alternatives do the other Republican candidates offer in terms of domestic policy besides deficit spending and your attitude of “good luck”? Deficits do matter, they will have to be repaid. Ron Paul has never voted for an unbalanced budget or a tax increase. Can the candidate you support claim that?
November 12, 2007 at 5:42 pm
http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm
-Rep. Ron Paul September 25, 2001
[speech is at link provided]
November 12, 2007 at 6:04 pm
Did Iran or Iraq promise to attack the US? The Iranian prez was here a while back and I didn’t hear anything like that.
Because you don’t want to.
Go to Memri.org.
Watch some Arab, Palestinian and Iranian TV - get some transcripts of what Ahmadinejad has said in terms of burning American cities to the ground and how he promises that Islam will rule the world.
EasyE - you go ahead and keep believing America is responsible for everything from the Iranian act of War in 1979 to Global Warming to bringing 9-11 on ourselves.
In fact, since you like to keep going back in time to assign proofs of all the world’s woes on America, let’s get to the real root and understand that if we didn’t overthrow the legal, lawful authority of the crown of England, we would not have created the blowback that caused the war of 1812, the Spanish-American War, WWI and II on through present day Iraq.
America is the land of neocons, and like the Jews of Europe, have ruined the world. (according to the Stormfront donators to the Ron Paul campaign).
In fact, let’s not forget the blowback of the Indian Wars that created the same resentment of Americans that Jihadists share today.
Clearly the problem is America’s existence. So the sooner you join forces with Osama Bin laden and Ahamdinejad, the sooner we can rid the world of the bane of humanity.
Yes?
“Calm deliberation in our effort to restore normalcy is crucial. Cries for dropping nuclear bombs on an enemy not yet identified cannot possibly help in achieving this goal.”
- Ron Paul, President - the day after New York, Chicago and LA are vaporized by nuclear weapons.
Yeah - I want THAT bozo for President.
No thanks.
Hillary would be tougher on foreign policy than Ron Paul.
November 12, 2007 at 6:48 pm
I never once claimed that America is to blame. It is the foreign policy of a few Americans that is to blame. I also never said anything about global warming. You are forgetting that I am a lifelong conservative. It is the conservative ideal of Ron Paul that appeals to me.
Now can you explain again how exactly this perpetual warfare is going to be paid for?
And exactly who do you support and in what way are they conservative?
November 12, 2007 at 7:40 pm
Smell the Neo-con fear.
November 12, 2007 at 7:48 pm
Ron Paul is the only honest person of the bunch. Those who attack him with mindless name-calling are simply ignorant imps.
November 12, 2007 at 7:55 pm
I am a longtime Republican, an ARMY Vet, Life member in the NRA and TSRA. And I will keep sending money to Ron Paul, and vote for him when he wins the nomination. Your numbers are wrong.
And you and your brand of hateful, shameful, fear-mongering will not prevail.
November 12, 2007 at 8:36 pm
I never once claimed that America is to blame.
Ron Paul does.
His explanation of what “blowback” constitutes in terms of the M.E. more than adequately puts him square in the Blame America First camp.
Given his explanations of American unfair foreign and trade policies - if this were 1942 - he’d blame the attack at Pearl Harbor on “blowback” for our embargo on both steel and oil for Japan’s invasion of China.
Hell, I’d bet he’d go farther and blame the creation of Nazi Germany and WWII on “Neocons” who crafted the Armistice to end WWI. Which is what he does, small elements of truth in complete misapplication to self loathing.
It is the foreign policy of a few Americans that is to blame.
Oh that’s right. We’re no longer a “you mess with one of us you mess with all of us America”. We’re a “The neocons did it all to screw America”.
I also never said anything about global warming.
No, I did. I tossed it in there because I’m waiting for Ron Paul or some of his kook followers to drop that bomb next since they say the same things the Left does when it comes to the anti-war Blame America crap.
You are forgetting that I am a lifelong conservative.
How can I forget? I don’t know who the hell you are.
Besides, I’ve encountered many Leftists who use the tactic of saying they are Conservatives voting for Hillary or the Democrats because of how evil and wrong Christians like Bush are.
It is the conservative ideal of Ron Paul that appeals to me.
From what I can glean from Paul’s record - I might like his statements about domestic application of the Constitution, but he has accomplished nothing as a Congressman but mere bloviating about problems. All talk, no substance - and no chance of enacting anything he has discussed as policy.
Radio talk show hosts have accomplished more for the cause of liberty than Ron Paul has during his tenure in various political offices.
Now can you explain again how exactly this perpetual warfare is going to be paid for?
I’m all for the spoils of war - but in today’s PC climate - that is not an option.
I suppose since welfare is deemed more important than national security - it will be as Churchill warned:
“If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as [dhimmis] slaves.”
And exactly who do you support and in what way are they conservative?
I don’t support anyone yet. None of them are the kind of Conservative I am looking for.
The only thing I am absolutely sure of is who I will NOT be voting for and downright oppose, and outside of the Democrats that would be Ron Paul.
November 12, 2007 at 8:54 pm
…Life member in the NRA.
That explains it.
Tossing good money into orgs that promise they stand for your rights but end up a paper tiger in the presence of enemies who shred those rights.
I dumped my NRA membership for the JPFO and the 2nd Amendment Patriots.
And you and your brand of hateful, shameful, fear-mongering will not prevail.
I think Winston Churchill heard something quite similar when he was ousted from the Admiralty in the 1930’s in deference to the appeasement policies of Neville Chamberlain.
Interestingly, the same kind of idiocy Ron Paul espouses.
November 12, 2007 at 9:33 pm
>>I never once claimed that America is to blame.
Ron Paul does.
His explanation of what “blowback” constitutes in terms of the M.E. more than adequately puts him square in the Blame America First camp.<>Oh that’s right. We’re no longer a “you mess with one of us you mess with all of us America”. We’re a “The neocons did it all to screw America”.<<
You have the uncanny ability to put words into peoples mouths. No one said they did it to screw anyone. All that is being said is that it is the wrong policy and it needs to be changed. So stop with your canned line of this being the leftist position and start supporting it with facts. If this is a leftist idea, to not pursue entangling foreign alliances, then why was it the advice of the founding fathers? Why do you say that Hillary will continue the entanglement? Why is it that Obama would like to bomb Iran and Pakistan? Why is it that you would like to provide welfare for the world? It seems to me that you are the one on the left.
What kind of conservative are you looking for? You’ve chosen to attack the man that John McCain called, “The most honest man in congress.” the man that the National Taxpayers Union called, “The taxpayers best friend.” The man who has thus far received more donations from active and retired military personnel than any other candidate . The man who Matt Drudge says “comes up the winner” when he looks at the issues true to his heart. The man that Judge Andrew Napolitano called, “The Thomas Jefferson of our day.” A man that Milton Friedman endorsed as understanding “in a principled way the importance of property rights and religious freedom.”
What are you looking for in a conservative? Ron Paul is by most measures the only conservative running for the presidency. You need to let the neocon agenda go and think about America again. The rest of the world was always screwed up and may always be screwed up, but we have something good in America and if you let it out of your focus it will slip away from us. The Constitution does mean something.
November 12, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Ron Paul made it perfectly clear in debate that the blame lies with those that created the policy. Not the American people.
November 12, 2007 at 10:22 pm
I am upset that your photo caption did not disclose that this photo was taken while Dr. Paul was serving as understudy to Rod Stewart during the “If You Want My Body” World Tour of 1980.
Thank you for showing us the wild side of Ron Paul. Ron Paul would never infringe on your First Amendment Right to write and publish articles like this. LONG LIVE THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!!!
P.S. Ron Paul has a great sense of humor, and I’m sure he got a good laugh from your artwork.
November 12, 2007 at 10:22 pm
You have the uncanny ability to put words into peoples mouths. No one said they did it to screw anyone.
Do yo not pay attention to what your fellow Ron Paul supporters say?
“Neocons have ruined the country”
“Neocons screw America”
“Neocons are evil”
Blah, blah blah. How many times did Ron Paul use that diatribe in the last debate?
And I’M putting words in people’s mouths??
How about your fellow pal Paul Revere II up there who suggested the Nazis had the right idea about rounding up ‘neocons’ like me?
All that is being said is that it is the wrong policy and it needs to be changed. So stop with your canned line of this being the leftist position and start supporting it with facts.
Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and the entire national DNC along with moveOn.org and Code Pink say the same exact thing; “that it is the wrong policy and it needs to be changed”. I don’t know how many countless times Pelosi, Durbin, Obama, Hildabeast and the rest of them have uttered the same mantra.
Them is FACTS bud. I don’t have the time to dump a zillion links to Leftist audio, youtube and blog sites that say the same damn thing the Ron Paul brigades are saying - you can look them up yourself.
Unless want to try and tell me that they are not Leftists.
They say the same things Ron Paul does - including blaming “neocons” for all the woe on the globe.
If this is a leftist idea, to not pursue entangling foreign alliances, then why was it the advice of the founding fathers?
I love how people bastardize the intent and meaning of the Founders. It’s the same technique the Gun Grabbing Stalinists use when distorting the meaning of “Well regulated militia” to refer to the National Guard.
When Washington admonished avoiding foreign alliances, his reference was the way Europe created defense treaties to ensure if one nation went to war, the others would take their side and go to war also.
He was not referencing “entangling foreign alliances” to mean buying oil, goods or having troops stationed somewhere in an age of aircraft and nuclear weaponry.
The more you people keep tossing that line in my face, the more I am convinced that Ron Paul is indeed the absolute Isolationist you deny that he is.
Why do you say that Hillary will continue the entanglement?
I don’t think Hildabeast is as naive and as stupid when it comes to Jihadists as Ron Paul is illustrating himself.
Why is it that Obama would like to bomb Iran and Pakistan?
That’s more guts than anything Ron Paul has demonstrated. Obama’s idea is gross stupidity but at least he doesn’t sound like a limp-wristed pacifist in that set of sound bytes.
Why is it that you would like to provide welfare for the world? It seems to me that you are the one on the left.
Unless you are willing to nuke into oblivion any and every entity seeking our harm - engagement is absolutely necessary. Isolationism and non-intervention before both world wars ended up costing us more than we should have had to bear.
It’s sad to hear how gung ho you people are to scream and bitch about welfare for the world when it comes to matters of national security - and so muted when it comes to discussing the Socialist nanny State here at home.
What kind of conservative are you looking for?
The Reagan kind.
You’ve chosen to attack the man that John McCain called, “The most honest man in congress.” the man that the National Taxpayers Union called, “The taxpayers best friend.” The man who has thus far received more donations from active and retired military personnel than any other candidate ….
Hear me when I say this - I don’t give a tinker’s damn if every person in the country but me and my wife thinks Ron Paul is God’s Chosen Deliverer, I have heard and read what he has said about 9-11 and the war on Jihadists and I unequivocally oppose the guy for president.
I will say it again - he in my opinion is as dangerous for CINC as Hillary is. One will enslave us to Socialism, the other will ensure our dhimmitude.
What are you looking for in a conservative?
It isn’t Ron Paul. He is a Libertarian, NOT a Conservative. His foreign policy ideas and Isolationist stance disqualifies him for the office of CINC. Plus, I have heard nothing but Ross Perot-isms from him. He is great about ranting about the problems, but has no concrete steps and plans to get us from Socialism back to Republicanism.
There is little he has accomplished in his tenure of public office but sponsorships for defeated bills and lone opposition to measures that sailed right over his head.
You need to let the neocon agenda go and think about America again.
Whatever.
If not, will you too suggest I be rounded up and shot like your Ron Paul pals and the movOn.org buddies do?
The Constitution does mean something.
About the only thing I agree with you about.
However, the Constitution does not mean we are to be sitting ducks in a hostile world intent on our destruction as so many Paulies are insisting it does.
When Ron Paul is quoted favorably by Al Qaeda, Hugo Chavez and other Hate America tyrants - I want nothing to do with such an ally for them as they see Ron Paul.
November 12, 2007 at 10:30 pm
P.S. Ron Paul has a great sense of humor, and I’m sure he got a good laugh from your artwork.
Just wait.
The crazier and zanier he becomes as the campaigns wear on, so too will my artwork.
November 12, 2007 at 11:02 pm
“It’s sad to hear how gung ho you people are to scream and bitch about welfare for the world when it comes to matters of national security - and so muted when it comes to discussing the Socialist nanny State here at home.”
Have you not noticed that Ron Paul is the only candidate talking about the value of the dollar, the illegality of the Federal Reserve, the massive deficits that we run and our obstructive tax policies.
Perhaps there are some idiots who talk about rounding people like you up, but I haven’t and neither has Ron Paul. Some people are misguided by there feelings. Ron Paul stands for liberty, the liberty that you will lose if you proceed to feel it is important to police the world. Why do we have to have men and women stationed around the world? They simply become targets. We have the most advanced weapons the world has ever seen. If we need to take out a target we can do it at the drop of a hat even without troops in Japan and Germany and Korea.
Don’t you see? Ron Paul is trying to protect your liberties, he is trying