9th Circus Court Hears Case To Strip God From Pledge and Currency

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Yup – they are at it again.

There is no rest for the wicked, who work and plot day and night to remove any and all references to God, and eliminate the Right of Free religious exercize if it’s Christian or Jewish.

The 9th Circus Court in California will hear and once again make policy from the bench to rule in favor of “I-Have-Nothing-Better-To-Do” Atheist Michael Newdow who, when he isn’t before the courts or the cameras demanding God be banned and made criminal, he’s shopping and searching high and low for any Jane or John Doe he can dredge up to file suit in their jurisdictions on his behalf.

The crusade against Christian principles, heritage and exercize, continues unabated, while many yawn in indifference.

In God We Trust, Pledge of Allegiance Cases to be Argued at Ninth Circuit Today

Two blockbuster religious liberty cases – involving the constitutionality of the Pledge of Allegiance in schools and “In God We Trust” on our money – will be heard this week by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. PJI Chief Counsel Kevin Snider will be arguing alongside lawyers for the Department of Justice in defense of the national motto, “In God We Trust.”

Both lawsuits were filed by atheist Michael Newdow, who claims that the Pledge of Allegiance and national motto are unconstitutional “establishments” of religion. Ninth Circuit judges have previously heard and agreed with Newdow’s position that it violates the First Amendment to recite the Pledge of Allegiance in schools. However, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned that decision on jurisdictional grounds, prompting Newdow to re-file it with additional plaintiffs. The lawsuit against “In God We Trust” was filed by Newdow in late 2005. Pacific Justice Institute intervened as a co-defendant in the lawsuit to defend the constitutionality of the national motto. The Supreme Court has never decided a case directly dealing with the motto, but in several other cases Justices from across the ideological spectrum have pointed to the motto as an example of constitutional expression.

PJI Chief Counsel Kevin Snider, who will be presenting arguments in the motto case tomorrow, commented, “The national motto, ‘In God We Trust,’ is a perfectly permissible, commemorative acknowledgment of our nation’s history and traditions. Without coercing anyone to adopt any religious viewpoint, it reminds us that our rights are a gift from God and are not at the discretion of the government.”

Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, stated, “It is vital that we prevail in both of these cases so that we can pass on to the next generation the heritage of faith and blessings of liberty that we have been given. An atheist’s right not to believe in God simply does not mean that all public acknowledgments of our nation’s religious heritage must be silenced.”

The arguments are scheduled to begin at 9:00 a.m. this Tuesday, December 4, at the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco. PJI Chief Counsel Kevin Snider will be available to the media for comment following his arguments in favor of the national motto.

Newdow Challenges Pledge and National Motto

Last time he tried attacking the pledge he lost in a 8-0 ruling with the U.S. Supreme Court on standing. This time, he’s found an anonymous atheist couple claiming their offense that he will defend. Motive? Nah.

This guy is like a cockroach that just won’t go away.

But rest assured, he and people like him will not stop until the Christian and Jewish faith is expunged from society.

And then they will make it criminal to believe in either.

As history bears out time and again and Jesus warned us would happen in Matthew 24.

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11 responses to “9th Circus Court Hears Case To Strip God From Pledge and Currency

  1. Modern Atheist

    The level of fear I read behind words such as “(they) will not stop” or “they will make it criminal” or even “Jesus warned us” speaks of closed-minded indoctrinated children who want to be sheep and follow an invisible shepherd.

    You want God in your life? I’m not against that. In fact, if that’s what gets you by and you don’t expect me to believe the same, then I’m happy to leave you in peace while you spend your time doing that which I don’t believe in.

    However, when you wax hypocritical, I must take exception. Is it not the Christian church, specifically, the Roman Catholic Church which has sought repeatedly to eradicate all those who do not believe as they do when in a position of power? Your argument is based upon what you would do and what Christianity has done in the past.

    Modern Atheists (and Secular Humanists) do not wish to eradicate religions in order to press their beliefs or non-beliefs upon the people. What we want is to live free of religious oppression and indoctrination. We want to elevate our fellows around the world to believe in themselves, rather than books so full of contradictions and potholed parables that confusion is the only result of a summary. We want people to realize that the greatest force acting upon their lives is their belief in where the power to control their lives rests.

    Fear a change in your religion towards extremist views and actions, for that is what will continue to happen as more and more militant sects of Christianity and Islam and Judaism spring up to wrest control of your minds.

    Atheists want peace, not Armageddon. Eradication of religion would be great, but only as a societal movement as people realize that it is time for humanity to grow up and stop looking for daddy in the sky. Mankind is the master and caretaker of this planet and itself. “Let go and let God” is the rhetoric of a five year old. We don’t burn bibles. We don’t narrow our eyes at men in turbans or women in shawls. We walk by menorahs in windows and think, “How pretty.” We also think, “How sad that it isn’t used to celebrate their personal triumphs.”

    When we can leave God out of our national dialogue, then we can move forward as a people into an era of accountability. Accountability in behavior, business and government.

    By the way, I do not believe in pledges or oaths, but I understand the importance of written contracts of binding accountability with appropriate measures of justice in place for those who do not adhere to their signature upon such a document. Swearing in should be a signing in, with consequences for breaking that contract. When I did my Pledge of Allegiance as a child, I never found the inclusion of “under God” to make sense. The inclusion of God specifically does not promote “Liberty and Justice for all.” In fact, the Bible is very specific about “chosen people.” A kid in my class (6th grade) refused to do the pledge and was suspended. He was forced to stand there and listen from that point on, hand over his heart, with burning eyes. Homegrown Terror starts with such a small flame. He was a Buddhist.

  2. invar

    The level of fear I read behind words such as “(they) will not stop” or “they will make it criminal” or even “Jesus warned us” speaks of closed-minded indoctrinated children who want to be sheep and follow an invisible shepherd.

    Hardly. I’m judging the fruits of the actions, words and intentions – stated publicly or written of what your fellow Atheist’s agenda actually is.

    Exactly as I charge it.

    You want God in your life? I’m not against that.

    You may not, but your brethren are.

    Is it not the Christian church, specifically, the Roman Catholic Church which has sought repeatedly to eradicate all those who do not believe as they do when in a position of power?

    Funny, I don’t read or see Catholics beheading infidels in the last few hundered years or holding Inquisitions in this day and age.

    But it’s interesting that you people insist that they will do so the second they are in a position of power. Hmmmmm….sounds like the same fears expressed over having Jack Kennedy in the White House.

    Modern Atheists (and Secular Humanists) do not wish to eradicate religions in order to press their beliefs or non-beliefs upon the people.

    That’s a boldfaced lie. Yours IS a religion – one I used to share – so don’t try to deceive me with such pap. The fruits of the modern secular movment are manifest – and the intents are no less than the eradication and even criminalization of relgious faith – specifically Christian and Jewish.

    You have a visceral hatred of religion – and don’t try to tell me you don’t – because when I was a secularist – I had the same hatreds.

    What we want is to live free of religious oppression and indoctrination.

    No, what you want is to live free from any kind of religious expression or view of it’s practice.

    Your brethren do not discuss criminalizing Christianity for nothing.

    We want to elevate our fellows around the world to believe in themselves…We want people to realize that the greatest force acting upon their lives is their belief in where the power to control their lives rests.

    Yeah, we see how well that worked in Secular nations like the Soviet Union, North Korea, China and other ‘utopias’ of Atheism.

    Fear a change in your religion towards extremist views and actions, for that is what will continue to happen as more and more militant sects of Christianity and Islam and Judaism spring up to wrest control of your minds.

    You can stop trying to evangelize me to your Atheism. I left that belief-system long ago.

    Atheists want peace, not Armageddon. Eradication of religion would be great, but only as a societal movement as people realize that it is time for humanity to grow up and stop looking for daddy in the sky.

    And when that fails, forced eradication is ALWAYS the method that is applied. History speaks to where your ultimate movement will lead.

    We don’t burn bibles.

    Not yet, for now you go to court and get them banned.

    Soon you will make reading them criminal.

    We walk by menorahs in windows and think, “How pretty.”

    Then after you write down the address, you run to the ACLU and file suit to have it removed.

    When we can leave God out of our national dialogue, then we can move forward as a people into an era of accountability.

    Bass ackwards bub. The more secular we become, the more wisdom we lose, and the larger the tyranny over our true liberties are exercised.

    The tyranny of forcing the nation and it’s people to leave God out of our national dialogue and removing it from their lives by force is what you people are ultimately all about.

    DESPITE what you try to convince everyone to think you are.

    The real intolerants are you and your brethren, and I know whereof I speak and what spirit you are of.

  3. Modern Atheist

    “I’m judging the fruits of the actions, words and intentions – stated publicly or written of what your fellow Atheist’s agenda actually is.

    Funny, I don’t read or see Catholics beheading infidels in the last few hundered years or holding Inquisitions in this day and age.”

    The Inquisition is alive and well. It is called the “Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.” How convenient that it got a name change and went somewhat underground. No racks and torture, no witch burnings, but those who go against the Church still suffer the consequences of being blacklisted by the world’s largest religion.

    Tell me, when have you read about or seen violent acts by atheist people against religious people? If ever there was a persecution of religious people in a country, it was fueled by the fires of another religion. Please do not tell me that the Communist State is atheist. That is a pipe dream of true communists/socialists. The USSR acted against non-Orthodox Christians. China acts against any movement that gains too much power, as did Saddam Hussein. Atheists do not act against others because they believe differently. They act against those who threaten to shove their religion down our throats.

    “That’s a boldfaced lie. Yours IS a religion – one I used to share – so don’t try to deceive me with such pap. The fruits of the modern secular movment are manifest – and the intents are no less than the eradication and even criminalization of relgious faith – specifically Christian and Jewish.”

    I’m sorry to see that you found accountability to be so distasteful and/or empty. I find it invigorating. Atheism is no religion, because it has no beliefs. I’m not against anything, because there’s nothing to be against. I don’t like knowing people adhere to fairy tales and bizarre ritual as a guide to life. It doesn’t bother me, if they don’t bother me. It is alarming only when people mix it with politics.

    Secular Humanism (which includes some atheists) is a belief system with a very light, yet strong framework. It is true that Secular Humanists believe that people should work together to elevate each other and themselves. They also wish to have others support their beliefs with facts and actions. No other religions can.

    “You have a visceral hatred of religion – and don’t try to tell me you don’t – because when I was a secularist – I had the same hatreds.”

    I have to laugh at your assertion that I would believe as you do. You are far more extremist in your views and polarize far too readily. I hate nothing but ignorance and oppression. If your religion promotes that, then I pity the ignorance that holds you hostage.

    I was an atheist until I was 14. My mother was “born again” as a Roman Catholic at that time and decided to bring along the kids and husband. We were good Christians for just over 5 years. I was alive in the spirit and went to youth conventions, retreats, and joined the charismatic movement within my church. During this time, mostly from 16-18 I was approached by two priests at different times for “special friendships.” If I had not been a strapping young heterosexual, I would have been involved sexually with these two men I trusted as God’s servants, as that was their clear intent. Furthermore, I learned later in my 20s that my 45 year-old youth coordinator was infatuated with me when I only ever saw him as a father figure and trusted him with my every happy thought and trouble. Even so, I do not hate religion. However, I saw that there was no God at that very moment. I had my doubts and doubt is good. It keeps one honest. This was beyond the pale and hardly a motive of God. Actually, it was when my mom told me that God must love me, because nothing ever happened (physically).

    “No, what you want is to live free from any kind of religious expression or view of it’s practice.”

    You aren’t wrong, but I think you are trying to put words in my mouth concerning how I’d like to see it happen. I’m no militant, though there are a vocal few who are. I assure you, they are a clear minority.

    “Your brethren do not discuss criminalizing Christianity for nothing.”

    Who discusses this? I have read quite a few books on the matter and nothing ever comes close to this. Perhaps you mean the separation of Church and State? That goal should be shared by religious and non-religious people. If politics ever shape beliefs, we are in deep doo-doo. Kind of like we are now, with Bush telling us that God speaks to his tiny brain and people believe him. Should religion ever take over government, then we shall have an open door for religious cleansing. Have you ever heard the term “Islamo-fascists?” How about “Islamo-terrorists?” “Muslim Extremists?” All of these are religious terms and have no place in politics. As a group, Muslims are peaceful. They are just as prone to extremist views and actions as the rest of the religions of the world.

    MA – “Atheists want peace, not Armageddon.”

    “And when that fails, forced eradication is ALWAYS the method that is applied. History speaks to where your ultimate movement will lead.”

    No such thing has ever happened, nor will it ever be able to be forced by anyone. As long as people can think for themselves, you will never be able to stop them from believing as they wish. Wars don’t force people to believe differently any more than a law or policy can. However, if we can get you to think for yourself, then perhaps you may change your mind. If not, then we will move on. You have the right to believe as you wish as long as you respect mine. That’s why the bible needs to be out of schools and government. It forces everyone else to honor a religion that they do not believe in. It leaves no room for Buddhists, Atheists, Native American tribal gods or Hindus.

    Leave your notions of Good Book burning/banning by the wayside. No one ever suggested it and you are exhibiting unfounded fears in such statements. In your home and in your speech, feel free to quote the Bible. If you are a government employee, please do not proselytize. Keep God in your heart if that is your wish, but please don’t force it on me, my kids or our government.

    “Then after you write down the address, you run to the ACLU and file suit to have it removed.”

    More fear and untruth. It is OTHER RELIGIONS that complain and have such things removed. Jewish militants don’t like Christmas trees. I love ’em! It’s a great tradition that makes people happy! Lay blame where it belongs. Atheists may complain, but most just shake their head and move on.

    “Bass ackwards bub. … The tyranny of forcing the nation and it’s people to leave God out of our national dialogue and removing it from their lives by force is what you people are ultimately all about.”

    Force? You are kidding, right? I’m sorry to inform you that force is the first resort of a coward. Fight or Flight is modus operandi among extremists. I am not an extremist and no atheist I know could be considered one. Like I’ve said before, we would have you change your minds by thinking for yourself. Look for evidence, instead of looking for ways to find a silver lining in everything and then calling that God. Forcing you to change your mind or oppressing Christianity will do nothing but create an opposing force for which the Christians can demonize as a common foe.

    “The real intolerants are you and your brethren, and I know whereof I speak and what spirit you are of.”

    You know nothing of my spirit. Please do not speak as if you do. I speak of your beliefs after reading what you wrote. Please show me the same respect.

    Honestly, it sounds as if you were a part of a militant group who believes that eradicating religion is the only way to achieve… what? Atheist rule? If you didn’t see that for the empty and unfunny joke that it is and call your former leaders on it, then you weren’t thinking objectively. That is the first rule of Atheism! You must have reasons and evidence to back up those reasons. Question everything!

    Atheism is a quiet revolution. It is a movement of peace that spreads by the sharing of knowledge and love for humankind. It’s only enemy is the willful ignorance of the horde of unthinking people who follow so-called “ordained” religious leaders.

    As an atheist, my kids will be free to believe as they wish. They will, however, move forward in life with their eyes open.

  4. invar

    Your entire treatsie here reveals you are a liar or one of the most ignorant Atheists on the planet that is blind to what your movement actually says is it’s stated agenda.

    If you are not about forcing your religious non-beliefs on others, why do you troll a known Christian-viewpoint blog in the stated objective to try and “change our minds to think for ourselves”?

    Why do you assume that we aren’t thinking for ourselves??

    Why do you erroneously assume that we have not proven what we believe in?

    You certainly are not going to be changing any minds here, especially mine. Your subtle insults, thinking yourself wise with “eyes wide open”, reveals the fool – who is more than happy to castigate those who have proven what they believe as nothing more than indoctrinated victims.

    So we know what spirit you are of.

    You have proven that you believe in nothing, except yourself.

    Fine.

    You have the liberty to believe in nothing but yourself. But the fact you people think Christians exercising their faith in public or private and that our heritage is somehow “establishing a religion” or “forcing their religion” on you, reveals the intolerance that you people actually posess.

    Your attempt to try and masquerade the fruits of the Atheist/secular movment is stupid, as the militant efforts to abolish and criminalize Christianity and Judaism are well established, and they are HARDLY a minority.

    Your “Quiet revolution” is insidious, and a champion cause of the ACLU that has taken it from the “quiet” to the militant march to abolish the Christian and Jewish practice of faith. We’ve read enough of what your compatriots are demanding to understand the desired result of your ‘revolution’ – no matter how you want to package it.

    Since your mind is of the spirit it is – and contrary to your statement – I DO know what spirit you operate from, your own words reveal it plainly – there’s no point in my tossing pearls before you.

    You are wasting your time here.

  5. Modern Atheist

    Way to prove a point invar: call me names and impugn my character.

    I’d love to respond to your arguments, since I was enjoying the opportunity to discuss religion in government, but apparently I’ve been asked to leave. Try to enjoy life and make a positive, constructive difference on this earth before the opportunity passes you by.

    Peace to you and your family.
    – MA

  6. invar

    I don’t mince words with those who disguise themselves as reasonable and intelligent when their motives and ideology is precisely the opposite.

    Our religious and foundational principles worked just fine until Atheists such as yourself were able to convince Hugo Black and the other Supremes that the Founders intended the separation of church from state and subsequently through the efforts of fellow Secular/Atheists like yourself – to expand that agenda to include the separation of religion from society.

    It is precisely BECAUSE I question everything that I have the positions and beliefs I do.

    Unfortunately, you began the impugning of character to state that only Atheists like you have their “eyes open” and the rest of us are simply a “horde of ignorance”.

    I simply called you what you are as I am sure you think likewise of me.

    I am sure your definition of what is positive and constructive is the exact opposite of mine since the fundamentals are on opposite spectrums of understanding and we view each other’s beliefs as hostile.

  7. You might like this: from silverminers.com

    “So what is ‘Christian’ about demanding the appearance of the phrase ‘In God We Trust’ upon a Godless bank’s Godless piece of paper? Sorry,but we think we would be consigned to Hell for advancing such a concept. This is not just putting lipstick on a pig. This invoking of His name to justify a fundamentally evil form of paper is a go-to-jailer.

    Please remove the name of the Lord my God from your currencies. Neither my Lord nor His Son believed in the issuance of interest-bearing debt, and as you put your finger on the inflationindex, please remember this: a subset of the 10 Commandments, to be found at Exodus Chapter 20, says, again with the eloquence of the non-lawyer, ‘Thou Shalt Not Steal.'”

    And the pledge was written by an American socialist promoting Hegelian statism in memory of Lincolnite, federal centralization. They can have it.

  8. invar

    It’s the symptom of a larger disease Benjaming.

    Namely the removal of religious principle from view and practice in the country.

    It did not start with, and does not end at removing any reference to God on our money or the Pledge.

    The agenda is to strip God from public view – PERIOD, and to criminalize the practice of faith both in public and eventually in private.

    Socialism will not suffer any allegiences other than to the State – that’s plain historical fact.

  9. Fine. But they can have the stinkin’ pledge–which is basically an idolatrous and statistic religious ritual–and the lip service on our currency. Both are apostate and bankrupt. I’d rather them be honest than insincere.

    We need new currencies. The Liberty Dollar, for example, said: “TRUST IN GOD” on it. And the Liberty Dollar was a biblical currency.😉

  10. Rev. Reed Braden

    Do you have thoughts of your own or have you leased your mind out to Bill O’Reilly and Joseph McCarthy completely?

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