Marxists For Obama Urge Revolution Against U.S.

This is not a surprise to me since one of these Obama-supporters on this very blog said that when they succeed in the revolution they are bringing to America, people like me will be executed.

If it truly is war they want, they have no clue what they are asking for.

Or maybe they do, since so many of them coddle Jihad terrorists and consider them allies in their struggle.

 

Obama site urges: ‘Revolution’ against U.S. ‘oppressive’ regime
Marxists, socialists, communists form group to plot on official campaign blog

By Aaron Klein
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

 

JERUSALEM – Marxists, socialists and communists have created a safe space online to congregate, exchange ideas – including a stated revolution against the U.S. “oppressive” regime – and support their favored presidential candidate.

Their meeting spot? Sen. Barack Obama‘s official campaign website, which allows registered users to form groups and post content in online “community” blogs.

One popular community group on the Illinois senator’s official MyObama website calls itself“Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama.”

“This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx’s writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat,” states the groups charter.

“We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!” exclaims the group’s online creed.

And on Obama’s site, the declared Marxist, communist and socialist bloggers rant against such varied targets as Republicans, capitalism and the Fox News Channel. According to author profiles, the bloggers range from registered voters to underage high school students who state they are looking to foment revolt.

 

 

In a posting titled “The Nature of the Proletariat,” one group member calls for revolution against the U.S. “oppressive” regime.

According to Marxist doctrine, the proletariat is the only class that can overpower and vanquish the oppressive bourgeoisie. … In America, the ‘peasantry’ is not scattered from each other but rather seem (sic) to be isolated in certain high-population areas. This then leaves the Petty-Bourgeoisie. Are they a possible force of a Revolution? I believe so. Not because I think that they could on there own, but because of the fact that they seemed to have assimilated with the Proletariat.The middle class is now made up of the laborers who must face the grueling task of providing the bourgeoisie with power and capital. This assimilation only proves that the Revolution is inevitable.

“Eventually, the bourgeoisie controlled government will fail to keep the ever growing masses at bay, and the Revolution will occur,” adds the posting.

The user argues Obama will help advance the “revolution,” which he says can be a physical revolt or massive governmental reform:

“The Neo-proleatarian is now the bearer of the Revolution. That’s why I support Obama. He helps destroy the paradigm of bourgeoisie government, which is best for the Proletariat. In the end, this will only hasten the Revolution even if the Revolution must come as a massive government reform.”

Another posting by a registered group member calling himself “The Chalk Graffiti Terrorist” argues on Obama’s site against the “evils” of capitalism.

“We can’t just accept the evil side of capitalism. The nature of capitalism is to maximize profits, and this is often done by minimizing expenditure—in short, cutting costs. And cutting costs means less benefits, less pay, and poorer conditions for the workers. But capitalism has more evil in it than that. The profit motive drives the destruction of our environment, it has caused the current foreclosure crisis, and it exploits and basically enslaves those poor not protected by legitimate representative government.”

One group member urges Obama site readers to support the FairTax bill, which calls for the abolishment of the IRS and for the income tax to be replaced with a national consumption tax. The bill has some support across the U.S. political spectrum, including with some Republicans.

“This bill was created to try and rectify the problems that have emerged from the Federal Income Tax and the IRS’s existence. It would repeal the 16th Amedment and put in its place a national sales tax for the United States Government to collect revenue.”

It was not immediately clear whether Obama’s website staff approves new groups registered on his site. His campaign did not return WND e-mail and phone requests for comment. While the website carries a disclaimer that it does not monitor all blog posts, the site doesn’t state whether staff approve new groups.

According to the MyObama site, there were 18,911 registered community groups as of yesterday, including such groups as “Atheists for Obama,” “Jedi Knights for Obama,” “Muslims for Obama” and “‘The Secret’ Believers for Obama.”

Obama spokesmen previously have stated the campaign cannot monitor all content posted on blogs, but it promptly removes content brought to its attention that is deemed inappropriate or hateful.

Yesterday WND reported a blog posting on Obama’s official campaign site urged Americans to take action to secure the release of imprisoned terrorist fundraiser Sami Al-Arian, comparing the controversial former professor to Martin Luther King and Malcolm X.

The posting, which has been removed since publication of the story, is just a sampling of a large volume of racist, anti-Semitic and pro-Palestinian rhetoric published on the user-friendly MyObama community blog pages.

One recently removed posting claims Jews control the media. Another referred to Jews as “puppet masters” and “war criminals.” Yet another posting, titled “The Israeli connection to 9/11,” claimed Israeli intelligence was involved in the mega-attack and planted “false flags” to blame Arab countries.

Other MyObama posts have warned of “Judeofacists and their Neocon comrades” who “already destroyed America” and declare the “entire Congress should be overthrown by revolution for having sold America to the Israelis.”

A popular topic on Obama’s site apparently is the so-called Israel Lobby.

An Obama site search under the key words “Israel lobby” brings up a large number of pages with titles such as “Bush uses Nazi history against Obama to pander to the Jewish lobby” and “The Israel Lobby: bad for the world.”

 

In one recently removed posting, titled, “How the Jewish Lobby works,” the page read, “No lobby is feared more” and claimed Jews “run the Federal Reserve Bank,US Homeland Security, and the US State Department.”

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  1. Ummm . . . Bush did use Nazi history in an attack on the idea of negotiating with hostile states. Though he maintains denial that it was also an attack on Obama, multiple staffers informed the press traveling in Israel with the President that the speech contained criticism of Obama’s stance on diplomacy. It is good to fear the nut jobs . . . not so good to become one by divorcing one’s mind from reality itself.

    Yes, a consortium of radical leftists supports violent upheaval and also supports Barack Obama. Less savvy (and detached from the race) than a figure like Fidel Castro, they failed to understand that their public endorsement would tend to do more harm than good. It is no secret that the remnants of the Klu Klux Klan endorse Senator McCain (after all, he is the best chance to keep a black man out of the White House.) That does not mean that McCain is a racist or that his supporters are generally insane.

    If indeed you practice Christian values, I advocate doing less to misinform and more to inform. This piece is alarmist, and it misrepresents an eminently mainstream political movement as if it were typified by its most ostracized and unpopular supporters. From the playbooks of Messrs. Rove and Atwater, it is easy to develop tactics of deliberate deception without employing any specific outright lie about a claim of fact. The nation deserves far better than this, and I can’t imagine any Christian morality that promotes leading people to false beliefs when there are other directions one could be leading them.

  2. invar

    Bush did use Nazi history in an attack on the idea of negotiating with hostile states.

    Actually, Bush was attacking appeasement in the face of hostile states and regimes under the guise of ‘negotiating’. Thus the subtle Chamberlain reference.

    multiple staffers informed the press traveling in Israel with the President that the speech contained criticism of Obama’s stance on diplomacy.

    What staffers? The media went full tilt AFTER reporting OBAMA’S reaction to Bushs’ remarks. Your assertion here is crap. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/15/politics/main4098603.shtml?source=related_story

    It is no secret that the remnants of the Klu Klux Klan endorse Senator McCain (after all, he is the best chance to keep a black man out of the White House.) That does not mean that McCain is a racist or that his supporters are generally insane.

    I’m sure. However, your assumption falls flat. See, unlike asserting the Klan supports McCain because he’s white, McCain does not share the ideology of the Klan.

    Obama is a Saul Alinsky Marxist himself (read his books for starters). Birds of a feather flock together – and the radical Commies and Marxists see the advancement of their agenda and imposition of their ideas on the country through Obama.

    I’m sure if Stormfront or the Klan posted endorsements of McCain on McCain’s campaign website – your point would have merit.

    Right now, it has none.

    If indeed you practice Christian values, I advocate doing less to misinform and more to inform.

    Oh that’s rich. The fact is that this entry does indeed inform about the kind of people actually endorsing Obama on his own website. This is yet another example of the kind of nefarious associations Obama has with radical hate America elements. Either he gravitates to them, or they gravitate to him.

    This piece is alarmist, and it misrepresents an eminently mainstream political movement as if it were typified by its most ostracized and unpopular supporters.

    Nice try, won’t fly here. While Marxists might want to march in support of Obama, they are hardly an eminently mainstream movement – yet.

    They still have to disguise themselves what they really are in America, which is why they use flowery cover in the words like “Hope” and “Change”. Obama and the media are going to do what they can to shove yet another example of radical associations with Obama under the bed so as to not spook the electorate.

    The nation deserves far better than this, and I can’t imagine any Christian morality that promotes leading people to false beliefs when there are other directions one could be leading them.

    While the nation might deserve better, the fact that Obama claiming to be Christian himself, lies and deceives about what he says and who he is, one day to the next.

    Perhaps Obama might take your admonition about leading people to false beliefs under advisement.

    But somehow, I doubt it.

  3. If you want to believe that a Bush’s comments about negotiation were not actually a veiled attack on Obama, so be it. Never mind what the press was told in advance of the speech — a middle school kid ought to be able to infer the meaning with nothing more than the text of the speech and the context into which it was uttered (consecutive news cycles leaning heavily on the controversy surrounding Obama’s views on diplomacy.)

    However, if you want to believe everyone who supports giving free health care to orphan kids with cancer is a violent revolutionary, that’s another story. I took the angle I did because it is transparently obvious that this is an echo chamber where absurdist right wing economic stuff about rugged individualism will always trump any regard for the idea of social justice in economic policy. No doubt in this place, the fact that 95% of economic growth for the past three decades has been concentrated into gains for only the top 20% of American households is the way things ought to be — after all, those other 80% aren’t tycoons or big money heirs, and capitalism rewarding blood, sweat, and tears would just be unfair to all those ultrarich who did the only real work involved in generating economic growth, right?

    Trickle down economics, buttressed by outright (but very popular) lies about the merits of economic anarchy, simply doesn’t work. Sure, it is a great way to concentrate the wealth of the nation under the control of an aristocracy that would make the court of Louis XVI blush, but it is absolutely ineffective at promoting growth that is broadly distributed amongst all the active participants in that growing economy. Sure, Barack Obama understands Marx. So do I. So do millions of educated Americans. This is bad how?

    Conflating one perspective on social philosophy with a call for violent revolution is a despicable trick. I seriously doubt Obama would describe himself as a Marxist today, or that his references to Marxism in the past align him with bloodthirsty revolutionaries. Only this kind of underhanded mudslinging makes that possible. Is the integrity of this project and its participants really so devoid of value that it can be trashed for no better purpose than to echo a transparently sleazy right wing hatched job? Aren’t there any real issues you could discuss? If determined to attack Obama, couldn’t you try doing it with fact-based appeals to reason instead of deliberately misleading echoes of Joe McCarthy.

    Ideas should never make anyone frightened or angry. Knowing the beliefs of white supremacists is no reason to get the blood boiling. Knowing that there are groups in this nation the talk of violence and advocate killing in the name of racism, that is cause to be upset. Likewise, even if you are so warped as to believe flimsy claptrap about “sovereign individuals” and “Randian objectivism” you should not be upset by ideas related to social justice. You may well be upset by leftist advocates arguing for violent revolution. However, it does no one, including yourself, one bit of good to embrace or promote the lie that these violent revolutionaries typify American communists, never mind having any meaningful link to Barack Obama campaign.

    Also, as a point of clarification, when I referred to an eminently mainstream political movement, I was referring to the Democratic Party, not American Marxism. I realize some people might be too addicted to the opiate of political hate media to recognize any distinction there, but that is all the more reason not to feed the beast by spewing this ridiculous to establish guilt by association when even the underlying association is ridiculous in the same way attempts to link John Kerry with a Satanic church was ridiculous. The problem is, with millions of Americans still shuddering from nightmares planted by fearmongers of the 50s, the ridiculousness of Obama as a force for Bolshevik-style revolution is something some people might actually believe. Heck, I’m not sure even the author understands that it is in fact a giant steaming pile of misinformation . . . though what else could be the guiding force for attempting to articulate such a link in the first place?

  4. invar

    Never mind what the press was told in advance of the speech — a middle school kid ought to be able to infer the meaning with nothing more than the text of the speech and the context into which it was uttered (consecutive news cycles leaning heavily on the controversy surrounding Obama’s views on diplomacy.)

    Fine, whatever – given Obama’s statements about sitting down with hostile regimes like Iran without any preconditions to “talk” more than begs the inference of appeasing Hitler.

    In fact, it is appropriate.

    However, if you want to believe everyone who supports giving free health care to orphan kids with cancer is a violent revolutionary, that’s another story.

    No such thing as ‘free’ healthcare. Never will be.
    Someone will have to pay for it – and like all big government stooges, Obama wants to sock it to the producers to foot the bill, while he enlarges his dependent constituency.

    Plus, using the government to put a gun to someone’s head demanding they pay for charity violates both Christ’s teachings, and that of the Founders.

    If you are moved to serve orphan kids with cancer, then YOU aid them of your own accord – as Jesus would expect you to, and stop mandating your neighbors and countrymen assuage your own guilt by paying for charity. Using the government to mandate charity robs the individual responsibility God places on each of us to do His will, and robs each individual of liberty.

    it is transparently obvious that this is an echo chamber where absurdist right wing economic stuff about rugged individualism will always trump any regard for the idea of social justice in economic policy.

    Like all Marxists spewing such crap – ‘social justice’ is just another tool of collectivism. Mandating social justice from the top on down is tyranny bub – plain and simple.

    …capitalism rewarding blood, sweat, and tears would just be unfair to all those ultrarich who did the only real work involved in generating economic growth, right?

    Class envy and warfare is a tool of Satan, I see you wield it well along with the same Marxists supporting Obama. Your anti-Capitalism rants just buttress the fact that you would be happier living in China or Cuba.

    Sure, Barack Obama understands Marx. So do I. So do millions of educated Americans. This is bad how?

    Your ideology is anathema to American liberty and an enemy of everything that founded and established our freedoms.

    I seriously doubt Obama would describe himself as a Marxist today

    Of course not, like all Marxists and Socialists – he has to disguise himself in order to fool the electorate about what he really is and stands for.

    Just like Hitler did.

    or that his references to Marxism in the past align him with bloodthirsty revolutionaries.

    Does the name William Ayers mean anything to you?

    Pal of Obama’s.

    Plotted to bomb the Pentagon and kill Americans to push his own personal Marxism?

    Obama is not only aligned with bloodthirsty revolutionaries, his entire support structure is filled with such people.

    Is the integrity of this project and its participants really so devoid of value that it can be trashed for no better purpose than to echo a transparently sleazy right wing hatched job?

    You, nor Obama have refuted anything that WND reported, and this blog will reflect any light that is shone on the efforts of Obama to conceal what he truly is and the kind of people that support him and whom he has had association.

    If determined to attack Obama, couldn’t you try doing it with fact-based appeals to reason instead of deliberately misleading echoes of Joe McCarthy.

    We’ve been doing that since he announced his candidacy. His own statements and writings reveal his Marxism and what he really thinks of the country.

    Ideas should never make anyone frightened or angry.

    They should when they are employed by stealth and clever manipulation of both the legislature and our courts to impose them.

    Socialism is incompatible with American freedom period. Obama seeks to repackage his Alinsky Marxism and “Change” the country into something it was never intended to be.

    Obama is a Trojan Horse.

    However, it does no one, including yourself, one bit of good to embrace or promote the lie that these violent revolutionaries typify American communists…

    That’s like trying to convince me that the violent Brownshirts did not typify the average German Nazi.

    Also, as a point of clarification, when I referred to an eminently mainstream political movement, I was referring to the Democratic Party, not American Marxism.

    Now they are practically one and the same.

    I realize some people might be too addicted to the opiate of political hate media

    And wouldn’t you just love to regulate and abolish what you classify ‘political hate media’?

    And if not you, rest assured, your ideological comrades do.

    the ridiculousness of Obama as a force for Bolshevik-style revolution is something some people might actually believe.

    Good, considering he is busy convincing urban liberals that average Americans like me are simply bitter and clinging to our religion and our guns. I think fighting fire with fire with a political demoguoge is perfectly acceptable.

    what else could be the guiding force for attempting to articulate such a link in the first place?

    The truth about a candidate who is the greatest danger to our liberties to ever run for office.

  5. Wow. I mean . . . wow. I’ve seldom seen so many straw men fabricated so quickly. Actually, I suspect they were pulled from storage, sitting at the ready for anyone who dares to defy the nonsense of those unflinchingly loyal to the absurd and self-contradictory narratives of men like Limbaugh and O’Reilly.

    Grown men and women generally don’t go around expecting society to embrace their most radical beliefs. The notion that universal health care sucks life from the productive to nourish the unproductive relies on the misconception that only the richest Americans are generally productive. For a kid with delusions of grandeur, the complete absence of a social minimum probably seems like a good thing. Heck, I was well into college while still clinging to that simple-minded ideology myself.

    Rather than harp about Marxism or anarcho-capitalism, perhaps the best thing we could do is show some maturity and consider judging policies based on the results they actually get rather than the results dingbat theorists insist they must get. Though tyranny perpetually crippled the Soviet state, it was also constrained by dingbat theories of Bolshevik extremists. The “triumph” of the Cold War was what it was only because our know-nothing ideologs had their power checked in ways that their know-nothing ideologs did not.

    If anarcho-capitalists had the gumption to face facts, they would know that their decades of whining and mewling about interference in markets is not at all supported by facts. Plenty of outright socialist states have sustained excellent growth. Of course there is that fallback position — the prevarication that Western Europe could only have prospered by sheltering under the umbrella of American defense. Never mind that without paranoid McCarthyism and our own constant sabre-rattling, the people of Western Europe would have had no menace to fear.

    The main thing to consider when there is this clash of reality vs. ideology is that there is no choice that is not a choice. Only profoundly ignorant people can go through life believing that private charity can sustain a good all-around quality of life in any society. Historically every instance of large scale anarchy has quickly degenerated into rule by gangsters and warlords. Power vacuums are not filled by candy and rainbows . . . they are typically filled by forces much much worse than those displaced to create the vacuum.

    That simple yet inescapable (for sane realists) fact explains why it is not at all wrong to collect taxes and spend them on collective actions. Even the dingbattiest of the right wing usually supports this sort of thing when it comes to criminal justice and armies. Quasi-sane people in that part of the continuum even stop short of ideas like privatizing the sidewalks. However, there is a large group out there that still remains blind to the idea that there are areas where collective action could make life better for all Americans.

    Again, this rests on the childish fantasy that people left to their own devices will plunge headlong into cutthroat markets that magically generate optimal outcomes. Whenever existing markets fail to come close, the blame is laid on whatever regulation does exist, as if economic anarchy were ultimately the only just way to live. Save for the gangsters and warlords not a single soul ever to have endured economic anarchy would endorse such a view. Yet people lounging in the comforts of an orderly modern society happily call for it to be dismantled as if the United States of America is somehow a magical place where no social services, no infrastructure development, no public research funding, et al. will magically produce results that they never ever have (nor ever conceivably could.)

    Socialism is only incompatible with American freedom if American freedom is defined by the perverse and unholy worship of the almighty Dollar. Mammon may have many Americans by the balls, but it need not be so. Our Constitution provides wonderful guarantees of personal freedom. However, this does not include the freedom to hoard food while your neighbors starve. It does not include the freedom to own fifty houses in a society where “the working homeless” are a real and growing demographic.

    Western Europe is so unpopular in some circles precisely because it is a reality that cannot exist according to anarcho-capitalist dogma. The idea that people can enjoy free expression, free travel, and uninhibited participation in steadily growing economies all while the government also upholds a strong social minimum is something they deny. Their reasoning is never fleshed out beyond the bald denial (but for tinfoil hat stuff like this idea that everyone who understands Marx is a Marxist or that everyone who is a Marxist wants to give today’s plutocrats the Romanov treatment.)

    I don’t believe political hate media should be regulated. However, I do believe the poor suckers out there getting their daily fix of stress hormones by feasting on this most rotten form of food for thought should be shamed back into some semblance of civic responsibility. This stuff is destructive, not just to worthwhile discourse, but in every other way. When bombastic idiocy places the most corrupt and incompetent people available in the halls of power, as a society we all lose.

    If someone has a gripe about socialization of medicine, let it be based on something that is actually wrong with the idea. The “one time, a friend of a friend in Canada needed an operation, and they made him wait so his liver exploded” propaganda is bad enough, but these tirades equating taxation in a civilized democracy with the coercion and theft of tyrants only serve to help citizens, many voters, keep each other solidly on the wrong track.

    We get the government we deserve, and people committed to the belief that government must be horrible will tend to support leaders who govern horribly. Political conservatives do a service when the facts support their agenda. When it is pushed by sheer force of ideology alone, pushed upstream against the flow of reality itself, only harm can come from successes in that area.

    There is no choice that is not a choice. Either we live in a society where John Stuart Mill’s ideals are recognized (not just the “keep out of my private life” and “let women vote” stuff, but also the “do not allow economic conditions to perpetuate preventable misery and death” stuff) or we don’t. Policy that permits starvation is no less coercive and oppressive than policy that permits taxation for social services.

    Ultimately, service to the nation involves outgrowing the rejection of nice, neat, simple, and profoundly wrong things like any ideology along with the embrace of facts and the very real consequences of the very real actions taken by national leaders. If letting nineteen men with boxcutters devastate American civil liberties, the national treasury, foreign populations, and our own armed forces makes seems like a good set of consequences to you, then by all means vote for continuity. If not, you may want to take a peak outside the cocoon that makes it possible to believe nonsense like “welfare creates dependency” or “taxation is oppression” and try dealing with the realities that it is the real purpose of political discourse to address.

  6. invar

    I’ve seldom seen so many straw men fabricated so quickly.

    That’s exactly what liberal-Socialist ideologues that cannot refute the truth always say about facts they do not like.

    Grown men and women generally don’t go around expecting society to embrace their most radical beliefs.

    No, they run for president or some other high office or Judicial position – just like your messiah Obama.

    The notion that universal health care sucks life from the productive to nourish the unproductive relies on the misconception that only the richest Americans are generally productive.

    No, wrong. No misconception whatsoever.

    Here’s fact – 2004 IRS data shows that the top 1% of the wealthiest Americans pay 37% of all taxes. The top 5% pay 57% of the taxes, the top 10% pay 68% of the taxes.

    For some perspective, 25% of the top income earners in America pay 85% of all taxes. The bottom 50% of income earners pay just 13% of the tax bill.

    So no, no misconception here. Simple ignorance or preaching the Socialist lie on your part.

    Universal healthcare sucks. It’s the equivalent of turning your doctor and hospital into the U.S. Postal Service. Ask anyone from Britain or Canada why it is they come to this nation for healthcare.

    Yet you buffoons insist it is right and moral to again rob your wealthy neighbors to assuage your own guilt complex and redistribute misery equally.

    Heck, I was well into college while still clinging to that simple-minded ideology myself.

    And came out a Marxist.

    How typical.

    Stereotypes exist because there is truth to them.

    Thanks for demonstrating.

    perhaps the best thing we could do is show some maturity and consider judging policies based on the results they actually get rather than the results dingbat theorists insist they must get.

    Oh, let’s do. I just showed yours up on the productivity assertion above.

    Though tyranny perpetually crippled the Soviet state, it was also constrained by dingbat theories of Bolshevik extremists.

    The “triumph” of the Cold War was what it was only because our know-nothing ideologs had their power checked in ways that their know-nothing ideologs did not.

    Egads, here we go. “True Socialism did not get a fair shake in the Soviet Union – but it will get one in America, if only we can convert the nation”.

    Sorry bub – like I said earlier – your ideology is anathema to everything this country was founded upon.

    Plenty of outright socialist states have sustained excellent growth.

    Right, with the workforce at gunpoint shoulder to shoulder in the rice paddies singing ‘Whistle while you work’. Yeah – we get the picture. You Elitists run the show and dictate to the rest of us how to live, how much we can earn and what we can consume, while you live off our sustenance, exempt from the same misery you foist upon the rest of us. No thanks.

    Like I said, that’s tyranny.

    Never mind that without paranoid McCarthyism and our own constant sabre-rattling, the people of Western Europe would have had no menace to fear.

    Facts and history prove you a liar.

    Only profoundly ignorant people can go through life believing that private charity can sustain a good all-around quality of life in any society.

    America’s Patriarchs and Founders must have been profoundly ignorant then. In fact, America itself must have been profoundly ignorant up until the turn of last century when the government began to get involved in dishing out charity, yes?

    Private charity is what sustained and rescued the people in the ravaged areas after Katrina. I was there, I saw this first hand. Churches and private charity did the majority of the work. The government, merely screwed it up and made a bed situation more miserable.

    So you can take your sentiments and shove em.

    That simple yet inescapable (for sane realists) fact explains why it is not at all wrong to collect taxes and spend them on collective actions.

    By that ridiculous stretch of insane logic, why stop at healthcare? Isn’t food , water and shelter a necessity of life? Well then, let’s have the government provide free food, free water and free housing for everyone – right?

    You Socialist utopians are truly a clueless lot of imbeciles.

    Again, this rests on the childish fantasy that people left to their own devices will plunge headlong into cutthroat markets that magically generate optimal outcomes.

    Right, You Marxists insist that us ‘little people’ cannot be trusted to make our own decisions in life, that some bureaucracy of government idiots has to make them for us.

    Tyranny is what you stand for bub, and Americans are not going to stand for it, or you pushing your insane ideology on us much longer.

    Whenever existing markets fail to come close, the blame is laid on whatever regulation does exist, as if economic anarchy were ultimately the only just way to live.

    You Marxists call it economic anarchy – Americans call it Capitalism, and true Capitalism works every single time it’s tried.

    Socialism is only incompatible with American freedom if American freedom is defined by the perverse and unholy worship of the almighty Dollar.

    Oh great, another Marxist talking point.

    Individual liberty as granted by the Creator is incompatible with Socialism. Our right to speak, worship and pursue happiness without leave of some bureaucrat’s permission to do so is fundamental to American liberty.

    You seek to abolish that liberty – which makes you every bit an ideological enemy of liberty as Bin Laden’s Wahabbism is.

    Our Constitution provides wonderful guarantees of personal freedom. However, this does not include the freedom to hoard food while your neighbors starve. It does not include the freedom to own fifty houses in a society where “the working homeless” are a real and growing demographic.

    If my pursuit of happiness is owning fifty houses, who the hell are YOU to decide what happiness I am to be limited to?

    Who the hell are YOU to decide how much and to whom I give charity? You will rob me of my own responsibility to God to act on my own accord and do justly.

    Who the hell are YOU to rob from my productivity, to redistribute MY income to those YOU have decided on your own authority to subsidy?

    No, you are a wannabe tyrant, with a tyrannical ideology that needs defeating and burying in the most desperate of fashions.

    The idea that people can enjoy free expression, free travel, and uninhibited participation in steadily growing economies all while the government also upholds a strong social minimum is something they deny.

    Western Europe is failing. Their Socialist subsidies are being cut, abandoned and they are adopting more American-style ethics in business to compete. France is a recent example of the failure of Socialism. They are begun the long journey to dismantle the failed Socialist state that has crippled them with nearly five decades of mediocrity.

    I don’t believe political hate media should be regulated. However, I do believe the poor suckers out there getting their daily fix of stress hormones by feasting on this most rotten form of food for thought should be shamed back into some semblance of civic responsibility.

    And a Socialist stooge such as yourself is going to shame them?

    An example of the level of hubris that infects the brains of ideologues like yourself always astounds and nauseates me.

    This stuff is destructive, not just to worthwhile discourse, but in every other way. When bombastic idiocy places the most corrupt and incompetent people available in the halls of power, as a society we all lose.

    Ahhhh, so the truth comes out. While in one paragraph you say that ‘political hate media’ should not be regulated, in the next – you classify such free speech as ‘destructive’ and a threat to society.

    You two-faced tyrants always give yourselves away.

    If someone has a gripe about socialization of medicine, let it be based on something that is actually wrong with the idea.

    It is anathema to American liberty, to the pursuit of an individual’s happiness, to the pursuit of a chosen career without dictat and regulation by the state. I’ve read the Nationalization proposals for health care. They are all Soviet in nature – and letting the government control 1/7 of the economy is as abhorrent as anything else I despise.

    these tirades equating taxation in a civilized democracy with the coercion and theft of tyrants only serve to help citizens, many voters, keep each other solidly on the wrong track.

    First off bub, we are NOT a Democracy. America is a Representative REPUBLIC. Democracy does not appear anywhere in the Constitution.

    Only repeating the lie over and over in academia has brainwashed the average American into thinking we actually are.

    Two, IT IS THEFT. When I empower government to rob from my neighbor, his wages to pay for my own peace of mind, that is thievery and tyranny.

    I know to Socialist stooges that concept escapes comprehension, but then American liberty escapes your comprehension as well, so we should not be surprised.

    We get the government we deserve, and people committed to the belief that government must be horrible will tend to support leaders who govern horribly. Political conservatives do a service when the facts support their agenda. When it is pushed by sheer force of ideology alone, pushed upstream against the flow of reality itself, only harm can come from successes in that area.

    You describe Obama to a tee. All he preaches is how rotten America is, and how it needs to be ‘changed’. He and his sycophantic supporters are pushing his ideology by sheer force, against the reality that makes up the average American – and as you stated, only harm will come.

    Ultimately, service to the nation involves outgrowing the rejection of nice, neat, simple, and profoundly wrong things like any ideology along with the embrace of facts and the very real consequences of the very real actions taken by national leaders.

    Liberal gobbledygook.

    No wonder our college kids are braindead if they have to hear nonsense like you just postulated.

    If letting nineteen men with boxcutters devastate American civil liberties

    The Courts and the legislatures, by adopting the same Socialism/Statism garbage you are advocating over the last five decades have done more harm and damage to our civil liberties than by anything else.

    nonsense like “welfare creates dependency”

    It does. New Orleans versus Gulf Port after Katrina is a perfect indictment of your assertion.

    or “taxation is oppression”

    It is. Period.

    …and try dealing with the realities that it is the real purpose of political discourse to address.

    Once again, as is usual – lots of words and sentiments that have absolutely no substance outside of emoting rhetoric.

    So I will be plain. Socialism is an ideology that needs defeating. It is a plague, a cancer on liberty and deadly to freedom itself.

    You will not be convincing me of the values of Socialism. I see it as an enemy to be soundly rejected and defeated with all vigor and prejudice.

    In short, so you do not have to read between any lines or decipher hundreds of words equating nonsensical boulderdash – This blog considers Socialism evil, and is at war with your ideology.

    We’re happy to cut it to shreds and eviscerate it here.

  7. All this rests on the assumption that value spins from acts of will by Wall Street bigwigs (lately the sort who’ve been taking home upwards of $100 million per year while actually destroying productive businesses,) and not at all from the laborers, middle managers, specialists, et al. who live outside the new aristocracy. The tyranny of our times is not that as a society we might collectively decide to stop letting our own die on the streets out of undue reverence for market forces — it is that as a society we haven’t already made that choice.

    It is hard to believe to many people fall into this trap of believing it is sensible to worship Christ and Mammon with the same breaths. Protecting the economic order of today as if it were sacred (or worse yet, buying into this childish absurdity that taxation is theft) is not the act of a decent human being. It is the act of a thug — typically the sort of thug convinced he has the stuff to make it into the new American aristocracy when in fact he doesn’t even have average income generation potential. The few among the uberrich who actually support this barbarism rely on the gullibility of anarcho-capitalist nitwits to protect and preserve their abusive order.

    Again, there is no choice that is not a choice. You consider socialism evil, but only because you are hung up on labels. The slander has been drilled so deeply into your head that you can’t even use the term without resorting to Manifesto Capitalization. That is downright diagnostic of whackadoo political extremism. If your arguments about socialism rested on what actually happens when extreme concentrations of wealth are subject to some moderation, that would be a step in the right direction. As it is, it rests on dittohead nonsense that cherry picks the gripes of opposition propagandists and presents it as if the whole of those societies that have progressed to a happier state is reflected by the grumblings of hyperconservative buffoons.

    Now that point about a happier state. Denmark tops the world in terms of how happy its people are. It also runs near the top in terms of social spending per capita and the purchasing power of government dependents. Now I realize in your ideal world, schizophrenics should be roaming the street with no institutional support, war veterans blinded or crippled ought to be out there begging for alms like in the good ol’ days, and so on. Other than that in this world socialism has been suppressed, just what is defensible about it? You talk of evil, and yet in doing so you behave in a thoroughly evil way.

    There isn’t a single point in your slice-n-dice response that vaguely resembles a fact. It is entirely bluster that is at odds with the realities of both the world today and this nation’s founding. Like your clumsy insistence that because George Washington hired chaplains for his mostly Christian army he must have been a deist himself is repeated again and again. It is as if volume alone was enough — the idea that your beliefs have to be supported by anything more than loud repetition of things Glen Beck and his ilk pounded into your noggin seems beyond your grasp.

    Yet out here in the real world, it is vital that policies be anchored in reality. Iraq has been a bloodbath for years and years, thousands of brave American soldiers have died, all because one Presidency was so enamored with its own loud-mouthed bluster that it lost touch with a host of vital and relevant facts. When it comes to economic paradigms, a vital and relevant fact is that Reagan got it profoundly wrong — the American Revolution had squat all to do with limiting the size of government and everything to do with increasing the role of the common man in shaping government policy.

    80% of this nation has no interest in perpetuating the existing order. For an overwhelming majority of working people, a lack of social justice is a real hardship. A lack of capital gains taxes means nothing to them. What possible reasoning (reas-on-ing . . . the stuff that happens when you have some sort of reason for clinging to the beliefs you espouse) could justify perpetuating this order that takes all the growth of the nation and funnels it directly into the vaults of the already-wealthy? Is it because you believe trickle down economics will work, if we just give it another 30 or 100 or 300 years for the trickling to commence? Is it because deep down, you truly hate not only the indigent poor, but also the working poor, the middle class, and everyone else who fails to generate the vast wealth you (almost certainly wrongly believe you are destined to accumulate by your own clout in the market?

    An entirely-too-common level of gullibility accounts for why people buy into this claptrap that equates deliberate concentration of American wealth with some sort of meaningful freedom. However, to be presented with facts like the generally higher levels of happiness experienced by peoples of nations with saner public policy or the fact that decades of “that is unsustainable” charges leveled at those nations have proven more false than charges that our own economic policies are unsustainable — to face those realities and dismiss them with anarcho-capitalist bromides is the very opposite of human decency. So I guess your Christ would preach “love thy neighbor . . . but don’t you dare think about doing that when you get near an American ballot!!!!!!”

    Fortunately for the rest of the faith, the real Christ had no such dementia regarding ideas like taxation, the public dole, and hoarding wealth. Heck, that whole business about rich men and the eye of a needle should tell you something. Is the idea here that if we give people more opportunity to be economic sadists, it will make God’s work as a judge easier to perform? Rome, including cities out in provinces like Judea, taxed prosperous citizens to fund public baths, public theaters, and even public bakeries giving free bread to all. One would think if this was an anethema to Christ, he might have had an unkind word or two about it. Instead he focused his wrath on the money-changers — precursors to today’s Wall Street. Does that tell you nothing? Also, while you’re at it, you might look for one reference anywhere in the words of Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, et al. that suggests their bold move toward popular government was also a commitment to a government that abolishes social spending. Confusing the two is a popular dittohead trick, but it is not at all a legitimate claim of fact.

  8. invar

    It is hard to believe to many people fall into this trap of believing it is sensible to worship Christ and Mammon with the same breaths.

    It’s even more incredible that anyone with a shred of sense and biblical acumen falls into the trap you people lay, convincing them that Jesus was a Socialist and therefore they should be too.

    Protecting the economic order of today as if it were sacred is not the act of a decent human being.

    Says a Marxist stooge like yourself?

    Of course you and the Chavez’ and Castros of the world would say such crap – yours is the ideal of revolution in America to your twisted new order, where a politburo parcels out morsels of liberty with bread while enslaving us all.

    You can take your Socialism and shove it bub – you infringe on the very nature liberty.

    It is the act of a thug — typically the sort of thug convinced he has the stuff to make it into the new American aristocracy when in fact he doesn’t even have average income generation potential.

    Funny how you people accuse that of which you yourselves are. Considering that it is the wealthy asshats on the Left in Hollywood and the Elitists in D.C. with untold millions dictating to the rest of us ‘little people’ in flyover country how we should live our lives.

    You consider socialism evil, but only because you are hung up on labels.

    Wrong. I call it evil because it IS EVIL, period.

    If your arguments about socialism rested on what actually happens when extreme concentrations of wealth are subject to some moderation, that would be a step in the right direction.

    You make no sense whatsoever, as it is with all smug elitists like yourself.

    You simply stand for Soviet thievery in the name of your Socialist morality.

    Will not fly with me bub, so unless you want to fight and get it over with – peddle your nonsense elsewhere.

    Denmark tops the world in terms of how happy its people are.

    Riiight. That’s why their native population is about to become Dhimmies to Muslims that are rioting over cartoons. You have no clue what you are talking about beyond the typical bullsheist spewed from college lecterns.

    You talk of evil, and yet in doing so you behave in a thoroughly evil way.

    Well since we both consider each other ideologies evil, eventually – push is going to come to shove – and you people are going to wish you never messed with people like me.

    There isn’t a single point in your slice-n-dice response that vaguely resembles a fact.

    You’re nothing but a liar, which of course we know Marxists are great at.

    I just provided 2004 IRS stats in my last reply to refute a crap assertion of yours – stats which you did not even acknowledge.

    Instead you do what lying scumbag Marxists and Socialists always do, you simply lie by insisting the facts we present are not even mentionable.

    You’re scum.

    Like your clumsy insistence that because George Washington hired chaplains for his mostly Christian army he must have been a deist himself is repeated again and again.

    There you go again. The fact is that Washington’s own writings prove without a doubt that he was in fact, a devout Christian.

    But as with all Secularists and Marxist ideologues like yourself – you simply insist your own views are facts, and ridicule the actual facts so as to confound those who oppose you with one string of blather after another.

    Yet out here in the real world, it is vital that policies be anchored in reality.

    You wouldn’t know reality beyond your classroom theories if it slammed you upside your thick skull.

    You’re a propagandist and a liar, nothing more. Pravda had more integrity and honesty than you have revealed here.

    …the American Revolution had squat all to do with limiting the size of government and everything to do with increasing the role of the common man in shaping government policy.

    Oh that’s rich revisionism of the highest Soviet levels of bastardization.

    Again, you have no clue what you are talking about outside of infecting everything with your Socialist disease.

    80% of this nation has no interest in perpetuating the existing order.

    So, you advocate the “new order” yes?

    Like I said, one day – perhaps soon, you are going to rue the day you tried to foist your crap on people like us and subject our inalienable rights to your Satanic Statist Socialism.

    Is it because deep down, you truly hate not only the indigent poor, but also the working poor, the middle class, and everyone else who fails to generate the vast wealth you (almost certainly wrongly believe you are destined to accumulate by your own clout in the market?

    Fomenting class envy and hatred is Satanic, and I see you have great skill in wielding that tool.

    That makes you a puppet of the Devil in my estimation, and as I said, an enemy of everything I believe and stand for. You’re preaching to the wrong dude. The sword of truth I wield will simply keep cutting your crap down to size.

    However, to be presented with facts

    You presented no facts, only emoting gibberish
    and Marxist propaganda that obviously puts whatever kids are in your college class to complete sleep.

    So I guess your Christ would preach “love thy neighbor . . . but don’t you dare think about doing that when you get near an American ballot!!!!!!”

    My Christ said for ME to love my neighbor, feed the poor and clothe the naked, He did not tell me to use the ballot to elect a government stooge to rob my neighbor at gunpoint to do those things for me.

    Fortunately for the rest of the faith, the real Christ had no such dementia regarding ideas like taxation, the public dole, and hoarding wealth.

    So Satan’s going to again try and teach us what God’s Word plainly says?

    We are to render unto Caesar what he is due, and in America we have no Caesar. We are to do our own duty to care for those in need and there is nothing in scripture that tells us that wealth in itself is sin as Proverbs 31 clearly illustrates.

    Heck, that whole business about rich men and the eye of a needle should tell you something.

    Yeah, so why should the state get to become wealthy at our expense? The State does not get to go to the Kingdom of God. Very clever, you indeed pervert the scriptures as your father the devil does.

    Is the idea here that if we give people more opportunity to be economic sadists, it will make God’s work as a judge easier to perform?

    So you would take that opportunity away – because “little people” people left to their own devices to earn a living and pursue happiness cannot be trusted. Instead they must be entrusted to bureaucratic morons like yourself to dish and parcel out our happiness at your discretion, yes?

    Instead he focused his wrath on the money-changers — precursors to today’s Wall Street.

    Not even in the same universe of comparison.

    Your biblical understanding is as void of truth as it is about our founding documents.

    His wrath was poured out on those that perverted the temple sacrifical system of worship to enrich themselves by a scam, not because they were engaged in making a living in a Capitalist society as you would equate. Jesus acted as he did, because they were perverting the worship system – not because of their economic practices.

    Also, while you’re at it, you might look for one reference anywhere in the words of Washington, Jefferson, Hamilton, et al. that suggests their bold move toward popular government was also a commitment to a government that abolishes social spending.

    Show me ONE instance where any of those men supported any kind of government social spending, for the poor or the downtrodden and your false point would have merit.

    But alas it does not – because if those men thought the government existed to finance what you call “social justice”, you would have reams of legislative edicts doing just that – yet there is not one.

  9. H. Clinton

    I, Hillory, would like to congratulate you on your win as president of the United States of America. Although, I believe that I would have run it better I am glad that you got the job. See you on the trails.

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